Bush signs emergency law to preempt state courts ref Terry Schiavo

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
A body that hasn't died yet isn't a corpse, by definition.

Ever hear of the living dead? The only part of a person that is meaningful comes from the frontal cortex. Anything else you can remove from a person that would leave them alive would still leave them a person. Once the person is gone, all you have is a sack of meat. For all intents and purposes, it is a corpse. Just one that hasn't finished dying yet.

[Drake Tungsten]

I left it vague, because, in fact, some infants are born without frontal cortexes. By definition, they are retarded. Since the frontal cortex is what makes us people, the lack of one should be enough to let it die.

The mind is dead, so it's good enough.

You guys are indeed moral titans.

[Drake Tungsten]

Ever hear of the living dead?

Well, if we're going to use cinema as the basis for real-life arguments now, I'd suggest we place Terri Schiavo into that magical retirement home pool where aliens will restore her health and vitality. Hell, she's already in Florida, so it should be easy!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You guys are indeed moral titans.

Morals only apply to beings. Not things. Terry Schiavo's body is a thing. There is no person there. There hasn't been for fifteen years. I can't be immoral to a chair. I can't be immoral to a corpse. I can only be immoral to other beings.

BTW, I DanS'd you.

[Drake Tungsten]

Do you support starving animals to death?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You don't need a body to prove murder. It just helps. You're getting wildly speculative, now, you know. BTW, unless you're in a hospital, I'm guessing it's pretty hard to keep a body in a PVS state alive. [/QUOTE
I know this but this thread was about the law not the woman it was started for. The precedents have the oppurtunity to get larger in every state if this continues. And yes I read the child case in houston in the other thread.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Do you support starving animals to death?

An animal is a being.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
I know this but this thread was about the law not the woman it was started for. The precedents have the oppurtunity to get larger in every state if this continues. And yes I read the child case in houston in the other thread.

The worse precedent would be for parents to start interfering in spousal privledge. You wanna talk abuse, just think about how messy that could get. Your wife dies, and her parents decide to take everything you own based on the Schindler's getting their way.

[Drake Tungsten]

The only part of a person that is meaningful comes from the frontal cortex.

Assuming Terri Schiavo's frontal cortex is completely gone (which isn't clear but I'll accept it here for the sake of debate), then she is no longer a person in your eyes. Not being a person would not immediately drop her to the level of a inanimate object, though, would it? She's not the equivalent of a chair in this circumstance; she's more akin to a living but unthinking animal. So, I assume you're willing to starve animals to death if you're willing to do the same to a human being who has lost the only part of themselves that is meaningful...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Morals only apply to beings. Not things. Terry Schiavo's body is a thing. There is no person there. There hasn't been for fifteen years.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

that goes with out saying but you the smart guy should make it known that everything you guys own goes to you unless your the one that slits her throat. Her parents are simply fighting for her life. regardless of what state she is in the parents should be allowed some decison in whether to starve their kid to death. after all they did give her life.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So, I assume you're willing to starve animals to death if you're willing to do the same to a human being who has lost the only part of themselves that is meaningful...

I wouldn't feel bad if a sea cucumber, or some other brainless critter starved to death, no. I feel no qualms about dropping crustaceans and mollusks into boiling water. These are animals that don't reach the level of beings. A modicum of self-awareness is required.

[Imran Siddiqui]

regardless of what state she is in the parents should be allowed some decison in whether to starve their kid to death.

They've gotten it. The Court has ruled hearing their arguments and rejected them.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Morals only apply to beings. Not things. Terry Schiavo's body is a thing. There is no person there. There hasn't been for fifteen years.

So, this body, that is a thing, somehow managed to inform the husband of her wishes?

ACK!

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tuberski


So, this body, that is a thing, somehow managed to inform the husband of her wishes?

ACK!

that was before the incident, DUH