Bush signs emergency law to preempt state courts ref Terry Schiavo

[Imran Siddiqui]

No surprise. The parents have lost at every level, no reason for them to win at this one.

Oh, as for "Congress' intent", their intent doesn't matter (especially since their real intent is to decide the case for the courts), but the bill itself gave the federal courts the right to look at the case. In the federal courts' opinion there was no substantial merit to the claims and thus denial of the order is appropriate. Congress can't make a court issue an order, and any intent to do so should be ignored as being unconstitutional overreaching.

[GePap]

The Court was right.

As for Krauthammer- the "best" thing Drake has yet linked too...interesting.

This is fact is now the Schindler's family new strategy- to push the Florida legislature to pass a new law giving the parents in this case standing in the courts. We will see what happens with that.

[alva]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

if you ever get paralysed Drake we're gonna leave your food on a bedside table, hope that's okay with you

I don't have to worry about you lot taking care of me. I'm going to make sure my wishes are known, which is the true lesson to take from this tragedy.

So Drake, you ending up like her, what would you want to happen to you? Live or die?

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by GePap
The Court was right.

As for Krauthammer- the "best" thing Drake has yet linked too...interesting.

This is fact is now the Schindler's family new strategy- to push the Florida legislature to pass a new law giving the parents in this case standing in the courts. We will see what happens with that.

This would then be a classic example of how a bad law comes into making.

This whole discussion plays into the conservative hand. The endgame is Roe v Wade and no one gets it.

Maybe if I put this in gamer's terms. Use the interface to zoom out to maximum and think about the big strategic picture.

The power right knew it could never win this case in the courts. They aren't trying to save her life. She was handpicked to be the new icon for the right to life movement. "Remember Schavio".

This is all linked to the Supreme Court. Fillibusters. The nuclear option. The 2006 elections. Stevens, Ginsberg and O'Connor.

Think people. The power right has made fools of you all. There is a big "can't see the forest for the trees problem" in America.

[Sava]

ROFL, that's fair Drake, I am getting tired talking to someone who consistently has proven he has no grasp of the facts in this case.

I have little or no interest in discussing this case further, except for pointing out complete lies or misinformation that others might bring up.

I've looked at the facts and made my decision. It's the right decision. America agrees with me. Terri will pass away. She will be at peace. And that's all that matters.

I could really care less if you want to continue to live in an alternate reality. But if you do decide to take the red pill and join us in reality, I'll welcome you with open arms.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Think people. The power right has made fools of you all. There is a big "can't see the forest for the trees problem" in America.

You are incredibly overestimating the right wingers involved here. This WON'T have an effect on anything in a month or so. It'll be a dead issue. Any attempts by the 'right' to use this as a campaign issue will backfire.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

The Daily Show on all this Schiavo stuff

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/videoswitcher.jhtml?show=ds&reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/10039.html&clip=dailyshow/headlines/10039_headline.wmv&mswmext=.asx

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Think people. The power right has made fools of you all. There is a big "can't see the forest for the trees problem" in America.

You are incredibly overestimating the right wingers involved here. This WON'T have an effect on anything in a month or so. It'll be a dead issue. Any attempts by the 'right' to use this as a campaign issue will backfire.

Wrong. You are incredibly underestimating the political power of the religious right. The religious right is and has been the biggest dog in town. The threat of using this as a campaign issue in selected districts has more than a few congressmen quaking in their boots as we speak.

All politics is local, and locally, in off year elections, the religious right, while not always winning, is always a major factor.

Without the religious right there would be no conservative majority. Or hadn't you noticed who controls the executive, judical, and legislative branches of the Federal government?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Wrong. You are incredibly underestimating the political power of the religious right. The religious right is and has been the biggest dog in town. The threat of using this as a campaign issue in selected districts has more than a few congressmen quaking in their boots as we speak.

Ah, the big bad religious right going to use Schiavo to get its people elected. COME ON! There are tons of people euthanized. This topic has gotten HUGE poll negatives for the Republicans. They gambled and they lost! Even religious people (look at the polls) think the Republicans have gone overboard here.

Any attempts to use this as a campaign issue will fail, badly. The Republicans have looked horrible in this mess and any poll you look at will tell you how much the people believe this.

All politics is local

So if you are not from this town in Florida, you needn't be worried.

Or hadn't you noticed who controls the executive, judical, and legislative branches of the Federal government?

Oh, so it was the religious right who said we aren't going to put the tube back in as well?

[Capt Dizle]

Mark my words. After she dies, "remember terri schaivo" will become as well known in the world of the religious right as "remember the alamo". Did you think this case became a headliner by chance? Didn't it occur to you that a group of men in suits, at a quasi-religious/political meetings, discussed the type of case they would need to use as a rallying cry in the great push to topple Roe V. Wade? Didn't it occur to you that other young men in suits with Bibles in their briefcases went forth to identifysuitable cases then in the system and that Schaivo was the one ultimately chosen?

I just question how much time you've spent in the pew listening to what has been going on. Or maybe, you are in one of the other side's pews.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Ah, the big bad religious right going to use Schiavo to get its people elected. COME ON! There are tons of people euthanized. This topic has gotten HUGE poll negatives for the Republicans. They gambled and they lost! Even religious people (look at the polls) think the Republicans have gone overboard here.

Any attempts to use this as a campaign issue will fail, badly. The Republicans have looked horrible in this mess and any poll you look at will tell you how much the people believe this.

The king is dead, long live the new moderate king.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Oh, so it was the religious right who said we aren't going to put the tube back in as well?

Since you seem to only think in one dimension I will try to dumb it down for you.

It might be hard to do.

The religious right is made up of people, the vast majority of whom are good people; their leadership, like that of any group with inherent political power, those leaders consist mostly of the worst sort of power brokers. They believe the end justifies the means.

They (the leaders) take this position of keeping her on the feeding tube knowing that in the end the it will be not be permitted.

She dies.

They (the leaders) then brand the "left" and the judiciary as murderers. They use this to whip up the base in the hope that it will help them in their efforts to clear the way for further stacking of the court with ultra-conservatives. Think about the filibuster issue, the nuke option. Think about Democratic congressmen that have to stand for relection in Bush states, with an active religious right wing, and think about how they might vote on a Bush judge in the face of a firestorm of "Schaivo tee shirts" that could be waiting for them in the mid-terms.

Are you blind to the extent to which the power right want to overturn Roe v Wade? It is not simply the biggest thing to them, it is the whole thing. It is the end game. The whole point of the movement. It has been the fulcrum point of all United States politics for the last 30 years. Wake up!

[alva]

You are scary Dizle

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by alva
You are scary Dizle

Make fun if you like. I know what I am talking about. I know these people from the inside out. If you doubt me, start attending conservative churches and count the times that you hear the name Schiavo.

Polls are meaningless at this point. Watch them, they will turn somewhat when the press plays up her death and in the end the only polls that will matter will be those taken inside the movement.

Rehnquist has the ball now. He wrote the dissent for Roe v. Wade. Interesting.

[Alexander's Horse]

nah, she'll be completely forgotten and very quickly

people were just using her