Judge rejects right-to-die delay

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Yes, IF HE LOVES HER.

Bull****. He has stood by her side for 15 years, and she has had great medical care. I wouldn't blame anybody for engaging in another relationship in such conditions. It's not as if he took up with another woman and just forgot about his wife.

Then don't use her suffering as an excuse.

Who used it as an excuse? Blatant strawman.

Were it proven there were no pain in PVS, however, it would demolish the major arguments of those seeking to keep Schiavo alive. It is they who argue she will feel pain as she dies.

Nope just digging yourself deeper.

I think you've substantially failed to understand pretty simple arguments.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Point number 1.

A loving and caring husband that has a girlfriend and kids with the girlfriend?

Right.

to a braindead wife yeah okay

Point 2.

You guys are saying to end her suffering. Take out the feeding tube.

Opponents say yeah starve her to death, make her suffer before she dies.

Response: She won't suffer, she has PVS.

Well, if she won't suffer because she has PVS, SHE SURE AS HELL ISN'T SUFFERING NOW!!!!

At least use a better argument.

I have now PWNED every one of you "pull the feeding tube" hacks.

You may worship me.

ACK!

mental suffering, consciousness being kept alive, not moving on to next world... listen to Metallica - One

darkness imprisoning me, absolute horror, I cannot live, I cannot not die, body is my holding cell...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I think my favorite thing about lefties is their innate need to feel like they are arguing for the moral side in any debate, whether they actually are or not.

I believe it is a truism that in arguments where a great moral question is involved, people will tend to believe their moral beliefs are the more correct ones.

Regardless, this is a rather obvious mischaracterization of the debate. I explicitley said I don't think the Schindler's intentions are immoral. I think they are short-sighted, but not immoral in their desire to keep their daughter alive. They're just in denial out of grief, which is understandable, as I said.

Any other strawmen?

Hence Boris' tortured reasoning on why allowing Terri Schiavo to continue to live is a source of suffering that must be stopped by starving her to death...

Funny how you've decisively failed to refute any such "tortured reasoning" and have instead relied on blatant emotional appeals, unsubstantiated rumormongering and shameless attempts to slander Michael Schiavo.

[Uncle Sparky]

In Canada the next of kin, in this case the husband, would have the final say on the termination of care. The political circus couldn't happen here.

[Drake Tungsten]

and she has had great medical care.

Funny how you've decisively failed to refute any such "tortured reasoning" and have instead relied on blatant emotional appeals, unsubstantiated rumormongering and shameless attempts to slander Michael Schiavo.

Your argument has basically been reduced to "I would want to die if I were in that state and I think most other people would too, so Terri Schiavo probably does as well. Pull the tube." How am I supposed to refute that "reasoning"?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DanS
This is pretty common, actually. It doesn't give you a free pass to screw around on your spouse and it requires you to care for him/her to the best of your ability. Yeh, life sucks some times. It was always thus.

It's common, yes, and I commend people who do so. But not mandatory as proof that one loves the person who is stricken. Terri Schiavo has had great care. Michael spent years getting her the best treatment possible. But he was told--time and again--that her condition is irrecovable. Nobody in PVS as Terri is has ever emerged after more than 3 months. His wife died 15 years ago, so I think he had the right to move on.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

and she has had great medical care.

why laugh drake? oh yeah, he still believes in the lies fauxnews are telling him.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Bull****. He has stood by her side for 15 years, and she has had great medical care. I wouldn't blame anybody for engaging in another relationship in such conditions. It's not as if he took up with another woman and just forgot about his wife.

Who used it as an excuse? Blatant strawman.

Were it proven there were no pain in PVS, however, it would demolish the major arguments of those seeking to keep Schiavo alive. It is they who argue she will feel pain as she dies.

Ummmm:

[q]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov




Nice interpretation, but that wasn't the point. The point was that their beliefs seem to indicate a better future awaits their daughter in the afterlife, so I have I don't see why they would prevent her from heading there, especially condering her state.

I think they're being selfish--but I can understand such selfishness, because it comes out of a love for their daughter. But the woman in the hospital isn't their daughter anymore--she's been gone for 15 years. The person in the hospital is a being who has no hope of recovery and is in a state in which no sane human being would want to remain. The Schindlers are unwilling to accept this fact and so persist in prolonging a terrible existence for someone who has suffered enough and should be allowed to rest.

Also, Odin and Sava used her suffering as an excuse to pull the tube.

You lose again.

I think you've substantially failed to understand pretty simple arguments.

You fail to make logical arguments.

Furthermore, you haven't asked me what I think, and I haven't said. I'm just poking holes in your arguments.

Bow down.

ACK!

[Drake Tungsten]

Tubes is stealing all the pwning I worked so hard to achieve...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Tubes is stealing all the pwning I worked so hard to achieve...

if you call ignoring the facts, pwning... then be my guest.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Sava
if you call ignoring the facts, pwning... then be my guest.

You guys are ignoring the facts, you tried to use a strawman by saying she is suffering, but won't suffer when starved to death.

I didn't ignore facts. You failed to present any.

ACK!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Ummmm:

Ummmm what? Nowhere in that did I say she's feeling physical pain in her condition. Nice try, though.

If she doesn't feel pain, then the argument some people have about the horrors of her "starving to death" are just meaningless hyperbole. Thanks for demolishing their argument.

[GePap]

The Husband has the legal right to make the decision. Every single court to which this case has gone has ruled in his favor in the end. Unless the law is changed and the rights of spouses taken away, even if this moves to Federal court, the husband will win. Its simply using time and resources up.

This is a political farce driven by understandable pain form the family, and political grandstanding and ideological blindness by the "pro-life" people.

The human thing would be to allow the husband now to euthenize her and get it done with.

Of, and tubes me boy, if she is vegetative, she won;t suffer when the tube is pulled. IN fact, neither state should make a damn bit of difference if you are right. So what are you arguing exactly?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski
You guys are ignoring the facts, you tried to use a strawman by saying she is suffering, but won't suffer when starved to death.

That's a bull**** strawman itself. I even explicitely referenced the possibility she would feel pain while she starves, hence my comment that I hoped the doctors would give her large doses of sedatives.

You're missing the point--the issue isn't about physical pain for Terri, it's about her being forced to live in a condition in which the overwhelming majority of people do not want to live, and in which, according to the person legally allowed to make decisions for her, she expressed herself she didn't want to live.

[Tuberski]

You said she was suffering.

Suffering implies pain.

I even bolded it for you, did I need to make it LARGER?

ACK!