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  • #46
    Originally posted by Asher

    In 2003, 174.5 billion barrels known in established reserves of the oil sands alone.
    That is definitely something that should be invested more heavily in.

    Kiddo, businesses are the backbone of the economy. If they are richer, the better (responsibly and honestly that is).
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Odin


      I have heard many estimates, but my gut feeling is that we will have peak oil between 2020 and 2030. Also, I have read that Non-OPEC oil production will peak before production from OPEC countries. And yes, Peak Oil is relevent.
      I've read that production isn't the bottleneck. It's more a problem with distribution.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Giancarlo
        Kiddo, businesses are the backbone of the economy. If they are richer, the better (responsibly and honestly that is).
        No they aren't. Thier overall spending is insignificant. The consumer is the backbone.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Giancarlo
          That is definitely something that should be invested more heavily in.
          North American established reserves...
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kidicious
            The consumer is the backbone.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Sava
              I'd like to see it, but I'm realistic. We won't see alternative sources unless big companies can make obscene profits.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #52
                Asher...what is the annual consumption in the US?? (if you know).

                Also see my question in the WoW thread in OG

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                Im not sure what Baruk Khazad is , but if they speak Judeo-Dwarvish, that would be "blessed are the dwarves" - lord of the mark

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                • #53
                  I have heard many estimates, but my gut feeling is that we will have peak oil between 2020 and 2030.
                  In other words, you're pulling your opinion out of your ass.

                  And yes, Peak Oil is relevent.
                  We will move on to other technologies well before peak oil becomes relevant.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Asher

                    North American established reserves...
                    Me thinks having that much oil near you-know-who should scare you more than be a source of happiness.
                    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by alva
                      Me thinks having that much oil near you-know-who should scare you more than be a source of happiness.
                      Alberta and the US get along fine, it's the rest of Canada...
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #56
                        Asher's graphic is more than a little misleading. We don't know how much oil sands are available, but it's a whole lot. Also, in the US, we have a whole lot of oil shale (similar to oil sands) that remains untapped.

                        The "problem" with both oil sands and oil shale is that extraction is rather environmentally unfriendly. Very much like strip mining for coal. The reason Alberta can get away with it politically is because nobody lives in vast stretches of Alberta.
                        Last edited by DanS; March 17, 2005, 14:45.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DanS

                          We will move on to other technologies well before peak oil becomes relevant.
                          Not when the oil companies want to make sure they get a profit to the last drop. You assume the market will create the demand, it ain't happening. Why do you think the car companies b*tch when the government tries to require more efficent cars?

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                          • #58
                            The demand for hydrogen cars is big though, so I'm optimistic about this ( especially for the rich countries)
                            Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                            Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by alva
                              The demand for hydrogen cars is big though, so I'm optimistic about this ( especially for the rich countries)
                              the problem with hydrogen fuel cells is that the manufacturing process of hydrogen uses fossil fuels
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                The "problem" with both oil sands and oil shale is that extraction is rather environmentally unfriendly.
                                Gotta love the "" that come along the word "problem"
                                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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