Do you support grade/discipline based segregation in schools ?

[aneeshm]

Casteism is a form of racism , and accusing someone of being casteist is like calling them racist . Also , saying that an Indian supports casetism is funny means that you are generalising about Indians . I know , however , that it was a joke , so I added that "technically" bit there .

Get back on topic , people !

[MRT144]

im on the deep fryer track

[Sava]

deep fryer

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Odin


Your kid with ADHD shows another flaw in our education system, it makes the assumption that all kids learn in a similar way, which I, as a person with ADHD, can tell you, is utter crap. People with ADHD tend to be somewhat smarter than average, but because our schools emphasize conformity, a smart kid with ADHD, like I was, sucks in school because it is too monotonous ( I am opposed to medicating people with ADHD with drugs like Ritalin, which are way overprescribed).

Your kid has the potential to be a good student, but the educational reforms needed will never happen unless we give our schools enough money to pay for programs for people with ADHD and Asperger's that are smart; not just relagating them to "Special Education", which in my experience is just a nice, politically correct way of saying "the place for retards."

Hey there. As a person who have ADHD what are your suggestions for a high school teacher who have an ADHD kid in his class? I have one student whose mind is so brilliant it's beautiful yet she's failing the course. If there is a way to modify the environment in the classroom in a way she'd benefit, I'm more than glad to entertain it. I'd ask our behavior specialist but she's an incomptent.

[Kidlicious]

How is stuff going anyway MRT144? Are you working?

[Ramo]

To some extent, there ought to be ability-based segregation in schools. But there is a tendency in school systems to substitute segregation for addressing the underlying problems in the system. The basic problem is that the "bad kids" end up being saddled with an endless cycle of incompetent teachers and tedious, mindless curricula. It's remarkable how much more students learn with a little decent teaching and an expectation that students aren't total dumbasses.

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Sava
It's the teacher's job to motivate the students.

Beep - very wrong.

Students have to be able to motivate themselves. Of course teachers should strive to make the material more exciting and whatever. However in reality it's not always this way. So they have to learn how to acquire the discipline to motivate themselves.

Otherwise they're just asking for one big bloody nose once they leave the sheltered environment of their schools.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Uh , had the classes been segregated , the smart geek would have been with other smart geeks , thus almost no chance of him getting his *** kicked .

I guess they didnt have lunch at your school. Not to mention after school but I forget most dumb kids according to most of you posting now were to stupid to realize the bell rang

[Sava]

I see my opinions aren't the favorite of the establishment.

IMO, that's the problem. Established methods of education are pathetic. School is boring. It's the teacher's fault. They just can't teach then if 40-50% of the kids are failing. But not totally the teacher's fault. As I said before, about half of the problem is the curriculum... 40% is teacher's fault, and 10% is the student's fault.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Barinthus
Hey there. As a person who have ADHD what are your suggestions for a high school teacher who have an ADHD kid in his class? I have one student whose mind is so brilliant it's beautiful yet she's failing the course. If there is a way to modify the environment in the classroom in a way she'd benefit, I'm more than glad to entertain it. I'd ask our behavior specialist but she's an incomptent.

If she is a special education student there is a file on her. You should become acquainted with it so that you know what her limitations are. It may be that she has a hard time learning from oral instruction, and she may need extra time on tests, or she may have other needs. If her specialist isn't helpfull find someone else who is. Contact the distict or a college near you where there are people who know about this type of student.

edit: also try talking to her parents.

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
We need to drop all this nonsense about every kid going to college. It's never going to happen. The purpose of schools can't be to give every kid a great education. It should be to educate as much kids as possible and to provide an environment for those kids who are motivated to learn as much as possible. That means seperating the students who are motivated from those who are not.

Exactly. However I agree for a different reason. Not everybody are college material and not everybody want to go to college. Some people are more interested in working with their hands or what not.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact people in vocational occupations often earn way more money than most college-trained people.

So if a student is not 'traditional classroom' material, perhaps we ought ask that student what he truly want to do. If he expresses an interest in auto body shop or culinary arts or whatever, we definitely should encourage him to explore those options further and perhaps by the time he graduate from high school he will be already a journeyman.

That's what is wrong with the educational system in California, it's all about teaching kids to go to college. It's different in Maine where I grew up. At my school, kids could choose to take few basic courses then spend the rest of their school hours at a nearby vocational school acquring skills in areas of their interest.

About 20% of high school kids in California actually make it into college yet good % of those do not finish college. So that's heck a lot of kids whose time was wasted in high school. It's a shame.

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Good point Ozzy, but if teenagers are surrounded by students who don't take education seriously then they have a tendency to also not take education seriously.

Very true, unfortunately.

[Ramo]

Unless kids grow up in the right environment, they're not going to know that they wouldn't have any interest in higher education without being introduced to these topics in school.

[Barinthus]

Ramo, correct. I was fortunate to grow in a such environment. That's part of the problem, we as a society do not do enough to encourage this mentality.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

I wonder why all kids have to be lumped together. The kids that have to work harder sont always want to be clowns. They act this way to try and hide they are not as smart as the other kids. Why take education away from them?