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  • #91
    Anyways back to Congo, there is no hope there. The country needs to be broken up I think.

    Right, 'cause we know that breaking up countries always leads to peace...

    In any case, if we break up the Congo, we might as well allow an independent Kurdistan and an free Basque state.

    bfg: i remember you mentioned something like this before, and i couldn't tell then whether or not you were joking.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Q Cubed

      In any case, if we break up the Congo, we might as well allow an independent Kurdistan and an free Basque state.
      FREE THE KURDS AND THE BASQUES!!!

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      • #93
        Oh, and free Tibet, and the Confederacy.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Q Cubed
          Oh, and free Tibet, and the Confederacy.
          Kicking out the southern nut-jobs:

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          • #95
            ...

            Actually, it's more about kicking out the Northern Oppressors.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
              yeah he speaks his mind.
              So does George Carlin I think that's his name.. doesn't denote he is a particularly smart man. He is funny though.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #97
                George Carlin
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Q Cubed
                  Anyways back to Congo, there is no hope there. The country needs to be broken up I think.

                  Right, 'cause we know that breaking up countries always leads to peace...

                  In any case, if we break up the Congo, we might as well allow an independent Kurdistan and an free Basque state.

                  bfg: i remember you mentioned something like this before, and i couldn't tell then whether or not you were joking.
                  Why so? Why should we allow an independent Kurdistan? Or a free basque state? A unified Iraq and Spain are viable, a unified Congo most certainly is not. We are talking about many different tribes..
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #99
                    Why so? Why should we allow an independent Kurdistan? Or a free basque state? A unified Iraq and Spain are viable, a unified Congo most certainly is not. We are talking about many different tribes..

                    Most Basques seem to chafe at being called "Spanish", and the one Spaniard I know (a Mallorcan, go fig...) would like them to be their own separate country, so they can live in their squalor.
                    Kurds like having their own ethnic identity, and it seems a good fraction of them don't like being called "Turks" or "Iraqis". It's kinda like how all those tribes in the Congo don't like being associated with those other tribes. :shrugs:

                    Only difference between the Congo and Spain/Iraq is that in the former, you don't have a strong army to keep things unified and under control.
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                    • #100
                      The Basques have autonomy and plenty of it.. and Iraqi kurds most certainly have it. Iraqis don't have to be arabs. I'm tired of your reasoning, Q cubed. It is horrific.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #101
                        independent Kurdistan
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #102
                          The Basques have autonomy and plenty of it.. and Iraqi kurds most certainly have it. Iraqis don't have to be arabs. I'm tired of your reasoning, Q cubed. It is horrific.


                          You need to figure out when someone's serious and someone's not. I'm trying to point out that even dividing up the Congo, your preferred solution, will really lead to no change. It'll still be a hellhole, so... why update our maps for no real gain?

                          (Hell, I still don't understand why we even needed to change it from (blighted) Zaire to (blighted) DROC... )
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                          • #103
                            Independent Basqueland, just to PO Gian:

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                              Violence with Western capitalists in control is preferable to peace with locals in control. Of course, peace with Western capitalists in control is most prefered by Western capitalists.
                              All of this is true as long as it doesn't cost money... Money gets assigned mostly for the 'important' projects, such as stopping the evil communist advance...

                              As far as Congo is concerned, IMHO the country should be 'encouraged' to set up a fairer government... (And this should be applied to most aid-recieving nations) You send missions to asses the level of human rights and general quality of life, and what the government does to promote/improve them, and award aid according to this (It should be compared to the lifestyle level of the ruling class). As time goes by, whoever is on top will at least try to level things out a bit, and it's there when you've got to insist on education. And make sure the people are really being educated and not brainwashed. You can even provide mostly technical knowledge (be it in agriculture or whatever else is most useful for the people), but also some civic education, and the people will slowly start to put pressure on the government.

                              The problem with all of this, is that it requres constant watching over, and it can get screwed up by a plague, bad harvest, or any other event (human or not) which can cause massive discontent among the population...
                              Indifference is Bliss

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Q Cubed
                                The Basques have autonomy and plenty of it.. and Iraqi kurds most certainly have it. Iraqis don't have to be arabs. I'm tired of your reasoning, Q cubed. It is horrific.


                                You need to figure out when someone's serious and someone's not. I'm trying to point out that even dividing up the Congo, your preferred solution, will really lead to no change. It'll still be a hellhole, so... why update our maps for no real gain?

                                (Hell, I still don't understand why we even needed to change it from (blighted) Zaire to (blighted) DROC... )
                                Will it? Each country can get hold of its own territory build up its own economy.. I don't think the Congolese government can control anything outside of Kinshasa.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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