“Cows look calm, but really they are gay nymphomaniacs"

[General Ludd]

No. Not a single time. This thread is literally the first time I've heard of such a concept.

Well, climb out form the rock you've been living under.

Originally posted by JohnT

And likewise, the majority of the scientific community believes that animals do not "feel" and can not suffer in the same way as humans because of their percieved (lack of) intelligence.

By "feel", do you mean physical sensation or emotional?

Both (if you can even make a distinction). Most refuse to even allow emotional feeling to be considered, and 'physical sensation' is reduced to some sort of physical reflex and not something that is felt.

Actually, you're doing exactly that by trying to seperate pain from emotion. What is suffering but the emotional response to the "physical sensation" of pain?

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Those cows are GAY! Gay Cows! Gay Cows!

Well, we have gay penguins...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Cows are tasty.

and chicken yum

[chequita guevara]

Rethink our welfare laws?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Rethink our welfare laws?

Perhaps ANIMAL welfare laws??

[JohnT]

Actually, you're doing exactly that by trying to seperate pain from emotion. What is suffering but the emotional response to the "physical sensation" of pain?

"Suffer" implies duration, whereas "pain" does not. I might "suffer" through a headache, but I do not "suffer" pain when my little girl accidentally steps on my feet. Nor do I necessarily feel an emotional response to the pain when Sophia steps on my feet, though I might have a flash of irritation when I realize that, yet again, she didn't bother to watch where she was walking.

So, yeah: it's ok to separate pain from emotion. They are separate, after all. However, "suffering" is as much an emotional concept as it is a physical concept.

Well, climb out form the rock you've been living under.

And that was called for, why?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Don't be gay bessy! Don't be gay!


I'm super thanks for asking.

[pchang]

Vegans often like animals more than other people.
In fact, there are a whole range of people who like animals more than other people. They give money to the SPCA and PETA, but won't give money to the homeless or homeless shelters. I find this curious.

[Thucydides]

I really don't believe anyone seriously thinks that animals don't feel pain. I notice that the only people who espouse that argument are vegetarians that put it up as a strawman argument to take down. I just don't think it's relavant to me as to whether I should eat meat products. I'm perfectly comfortable with the fact that my dietary habits have caused pain to a animal that was only born to serve as a food source in the first place.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Thucydides
I really don't believe anyone seriously thinks that animals don't feel pain. I notice that the only people who espouse that argument are vegetarians that put it up as a strawman argument to take down. I just don't think it's relavant to me as to whether I should eat meat products. I'm perfectly comfortable with the fact that my dietary habits have caused pain to a animal that was only born to serve as a food source in the first place.

[Boris Godunov]

I've seen arguments claiming animals don't suffer like humans do precisely because, while they may feel physical pain, they don't have the mental capacity to react emotionally to it and they don't have a sense of "self," just like the article says.

I guess it doesn't matter to me wrt my eating habits, since I don't eat meat anyway.

Well, I eat fish. But that doesn't count, because fish are stupid and don't actually feel pain like other animals do, so it's okay.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by JohnT

Actually, you're doing exactly that by trying to seperate pain from emotion. What is suffering but the emotional response to the "physical sensation" of pain?

"Suffer" implies duration, whereas "pain" does not. I might "suffer" through a headache, but I do not "suffer" pain when my little girl accidentally steps on my feet. Nor do I necessarily feel an emotional response to the pain when Sophia steps on my feet, though I might have a flash of irritation when I realize that, yet again, she didn't bother to watch where she was walking.

So, yeah: it's ok to separate pain from emotion. They are separate, after all. However, "suffering" is as much an emotional concept as it is a physical concept.

Alright, I can agree with that - that's basically what I was trying to say. I may of been misunderstanding you before, but we seem to be on the same page now...

Well, climb out form the rock you've been living under.

And that was called for, why?

A bit sensative, are we?

[JohnT]

Well, yeah. I'm honestly trying to learn about something that you know more about than I, and I get insulted for it.

Remember, Ludd: Just because you know something does not make it important to the rest of us.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by JohnT

Just because you know something does not make it important to the rest of us.

A message that many on poly should learn to accept


All this talk about animals has gotten me thinking : " Will I have the steak sanwich or the buffalo burger for lunch?"

[Tattila the Hun]

https://www.godhatesgaycows.com