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Originally posted by pchang
And yet, under Carter, the hostages were not released and under Reagan, they were.
And yet, under Carter, the hostages were not released and under Reagan, they were.
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Reagan illegally bribed the mullahs with weapons, Carter didn't.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate. -
Illegally?Originally posted by Oerdin
Reagan illegally bribed the mullahs with weapons, Carter didn't.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Re: Re: The democratic revolution marches on...
We're making 50 billion a year with Iraq?Originally posted by Oerdin
Originally posted by DanS
If you want to include Iraq as a democratic revolution, then that costs some $50 billion + per annum.
You are off by about $100 billion.
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Originally posted by Ramo
[Saudi Arabia held its first elections ever (though only for city level officials)
Only for half of the city-councils. .
their doing it in regional chunks. teh second chunk voted today, and the third chunk is scheduled.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...audi_elections
but yes, half the MEMBERS of the city councils will still be appointed.
A baby step, but if youve ever watched a baby learn to walk, you know how fast a dynamic that can start Certainly municipal democracy is an excellent school room for developing a democratic political culture.
Last edited by lord of the mark; March 3, 2005, 12:41."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I forgot to edit that for clarity; I meant half of the city council seats."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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As for Fallujah, youre wrong there. Fallujah was a mess from the day we went into Iraq - IIUC it was essentially under the control of extremists from April 2003. The Marines began to make noises about chaning the policy in March 2004 when they took over from 101st AB - the insurgents took the next step by the attack on the convoys and the display of the charred bodies. The Marines reacted after that, not very effectively.
IIRC, the Fallujah takeover occured largely due to the assassination of Yassin."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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In Gaza? WTF?Originally posted by Ramo
As for Fallujah, youre wrong there. Fallujah was a mess from the day we went into Iraq - IIUC it was essentially under the control of extremists from April 2003. The Marines began to make noises about chaning the policy in March 2004 when they took over from 101st AB - the insurgents took the next step by the attack on the convoys and the display of the charred bodies. The Marines reacted after that, not very effectively.
IIRC, the Fallujah takeover occured largely due to the assassination of Yassin."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Yep, it really, really pissed the Iraqis off."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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my understanding is that the hanging of the contractors was a deliberate attempt to provoke a US attack, that would turn opinion against the US. A standard AQ tactic. Almost worked, except the IGC guys said to hold back, and we waited till we could do something planned, instead of half c*cked.
Ieve never seen a claim that it was an emotional reaction to what was happening in Gaza."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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A previously unknown group has claimed responsibility for the the gruesome killing of four US contractors in Fallujah, western Iraq.
It said the action was in revenge for Israel's assassination of Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin.
"This is a gift from the people of Fallujah to the people of Palestine and the family of Sheik Ahmed Yassin who was assassinated by the criminal Zionists," said in the statement from the "Brigades of Martyr Ahmed Yassin"
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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