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[DaShi]

I am curious as to whether mainland China has any plans to return some land to the native Taiwanese inhabitants, if the two countries are ever united.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DaShi
I am curious as to whether mainland China has any plans to return some land to the native Taiwanese inhabitants, if the two countries are ever united.

I somehow think your curiosity is feigned

[St Leo]

Originally posted by GePap
PRC has a legitimate claim to the island of Taiwan, period. You don;t have to be in control to have said claim- the fact that Alsace and Lorraine were in German hands for 40 years meant nothing to the French claim of those territories.

Neither did the fact that Alsace and Lorraine were in French hands for 200 years to the German claim on those territories.

Territorial claims -- especially as pretexts for war -- are absurd archaisms that have no place in the modern world. Governments are constructs of people, not land. War itself is an illegal act that violates international solidarity and impedes social progress.

Bah.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I somehow think your curiosity is feigned

Maybe I'm just curious as to what the PRC's plans for the island are.

[Joseph]

Let's set the record straight. During the Empire period of China, not one Emperor claim Taiwan. In fact during one internal struggle for power during one rein, the Emperor after the struggle was over order the Chinese that had fled to the Island to returned to the mainland and leave all of the now Taiwanese there.
Fast forward to 1900. After China became a so call Republic, not one President claim Taiwan. Then we go to Japan taking over and after the Japanese lost the war, Taiwan returned to who ever was running thing before. No one claim it and the UN said we will decide later on the Taiwan question.
Now come Chiang and his boys. They invaded the Island and kill thousand taking over. He claim the Mainland and not Taiwan, so the Mao returned the favor and claim Taiwan. However until Chiang claim the Mainland Mao never claim Taiwan.
So no Chinese Government until the Communist has ever claim Taiwan, and they did it because of Chiang.

[sprucemoose3311]

I was just in Taiwan and it was clrearly obvious that China is in control of the island, there are museums and monuments to Mao and the revolution everywhere (though not nearly as many as mainland china).

Im sure most Taiwanese citizens will claim they are part of an independant nation, but thats sure not the way it looks


Hong Kong on the other hand still looks and feels like it is free from China's control. (they also have 6mp cameras the size of cell phones and mp3 players barely bigger than sd cards that play mpegs)

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Joseph
Let's set the record straight. During the Empire period of China, not one Emperor claim Taiwan.

That is, indeed, quite untrue. AFAIK, Taiwan was part of China as late as the Sung Dynasty - probably earlier.

Originally posted by Joseph
In fact during one internal struggle for power during one rein, the Emperor after the struggle was over order the Chinese that had fled to the Island to returned to the mainland and leave all of the now Taiwanese there.

I am not sure how to begin with this one. Lets ignore historical documents for a moment, even though we have got heaps of that, from the official ones (e.g. History of Ming Dynasty) to local records. Just take a look at a map. Mainland China happens to be the closest land mass from Taiwan. Seeing that humans have travelled a greater distance at a much earlier age, it is absurd to assert that no Mainland Chinese crossed the narrow strait and settle on the island.

Originally posted by Joseph
Fast forward to 1900. After China became a so call Republic, not one President claim Taiwan.

That was completely unnecessary because the RoC was a legitimite successor to the Qing Dynasty, which happened to have Taiwan under its control.

Originally posted by Joseph
Then we go to Japan taking over and after the Japanese lost the war, Taiwan returned to who ever was running thing before. No one claim it and the UN said we will decide later on the Taiwan question.

No. The UN returned it to the RoC. That's why the RoC constitution, amended in 1947, included Taiwan as part of the country as GePap pointed out.

Originally posted by Joseph
Now come Chiang and his boys. They invaded the Island and kill thousand taking over.

Source? Cite?

[DaShi]

Why should he? You don't.