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Originally posted by The Andy-Man
what about tibet?
what about tibet?
What about Puerto Rico?
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Peurto Rico voted to stay in the US. If they wanted they could have had representation in Congress.Comment
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The discussion here was whether the PRC claim that the island of Taiwan is rightfully their has some merit, and the answer is, yes, it does, as currently both government officially recognize the island to be part of China, thought sort of disgaree about China's rightful government.
As for the fact that Chinese immigration is recent- you know what? So what? A traveller in 1680 would not have found a sinle white person in Hawaii, or Alaska. Does that somehow dimnish the rightful territorial claim of the US to those territories?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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Before you condem someone to a dictator, you should know something about who you are condeming.Originally posted by GePap
The discussion here was whether the PRC claim that the island of Taiwan is rightfully their has some merit, and the answer is, yes, it does, as currently both government officially recognize the island to be part of China, thought sort of disgaree about China's rightful government.
As for the fact that Chinese immigration is recent- you know what? So what? A traveller in 1680 would not have found a sinle white person in Hawaii, or Alaska. Does that somehow dimnish the rightful territorial claim of the US to those territories?Comment
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Please explain, since you are in a big hurry to surrender a whole country to a Communistic Dictator system.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't know which universe you live in, but it is not ours.Comment
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The proper way to debate is give evidence to the contrary (even if it is made upOriginally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't know which universe you live in, but it is not ours.
). This is a bit insulting and rude.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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Taiwan had been under Chinese authorities since the mid-1600 or so. True, it's not precisely an "ancestral Province", but it's quite a long time enough for the average country to keep claiming it.
Heck, France owns Corsica for shorter than that, but the French authorities won't relish Corsica any easily."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Given that both governments say that it is part of China, the right are just wrong.... as usual.
Only feebs vote.Comment
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Agathon, are you saying that Taiwan's claim on the mainland is as legitimate as the PRC's claim on Taiwan?No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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I'm curious. How can something be said to be apart of a country when said country hasn't had sovereignty over the "rebel province" for decades?Originally posted by Spiffor
Taiwan had been under Chinese authorities since the mid-1600 or so. True, it's not precisely an "ancestral Province", but it's quite a long time enough for the average country to keep claiming it.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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ask the Taiwanese."Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
"...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
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When both the Rebels and the Loyalists claim it's the same countryOriginally posted by DinoDoc
I'm curious. How can something be said to be apart of a country when said country hasn't had sovereignty over the "rebel province" for decades?
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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That really doesn't have anything to do with the question.Originally posted by Seeker
ask the Taiwanese.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Sometimes territorial boundaries have nothing to do with the will of the people- sad but true.Originally posted by Seeker
ask the Taiwanese.
PRC has a legitimate claim to the island of Taiwan, period. You don;t have to be in control to have said claim- the fact that Alsace and Lorraine were in German hands for 40 years meant nothing to the French claim of those territories.
Of the Iquitos area of Peru, which Ecudaro claimed, since Peru took it from Ecuador in 1941- the fact is that even after 50 years plus of control, the issue was there and almost lead to a conflict in the mid 90's.
Heck, Japan took Formosa from China in 1895- obviously China must have had some claim for Japan to take it as spoils of war, and for China to get it back from Japan in 1945 (in time for the Nationalists to flee there in 1949).If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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That gives the island to the Nationalist party, not the "Communist" party. The PRC never controlled the island.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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