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    Johann Hari: Why I admire Ken, a unique politician

    Forget rows drummed up by his enemies, says Johann Hari. Livingstone has been brave and his views vindicated by history

    17 February 2005

    Haven't we heard this tune before? In the blue corner, Ken is accused of evil crimes by the right-wing press. In the red corner, Ken says it's all a gross distortion and won't back down. The crowd takes its position on the Mayor's cheeky chappie persona - and the facts are quickly forgotten.


    Well, just for a moment, let's block out the nasal voice and the long-buried moustache, and look instead at the truth about Ken. The current row about Ken's supposed anti-Semitism is a case study of how his arguments have been distorted throughout his career.


    If you depended on the reports in the Evening Standard or the rest of the right-wing press, you would think Ken had randomly, viciously singled out a Jew and deliberately accused him of being a Nazi. Here's what happened in the real world. In the middle of the night, Ken was approached by a reporter from a newspaper that has been running a vicious and highly personal hate campaign against him. My guess is that the reporter was there for one purpose and one purpose only: to stitch Ken up. The Mayor snapped at the reporter, asking him why he worked for a company that has a history of supporting fascists and remains stridently right-wing today.


    This was a bit of a cheap shot, but it's perfectly true. The first Viscount Rothermere - whose family still owns the company that publishes the Evening Standard and Daily Mail - took a pro-Nazi line throughout the 1930s, writing articles like "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" and writing fawning accounts of their meetings with Adolf Hitler. His newspapers attacked the Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany for bringing "crime and disease" in remarkably similar terms to those used in the same papers today.


    I don't know how lucid Ken's critics are when they leave a party at midnight after a few drinks, but Ken is clearly like most of the population: a bit all over the place. He didn't make his argument very well, and ended up comparing the reporter to a concentration camp guard. Crude? Yes. Anti-Semitic? Don't be silly.



    But these basic facts - which are not in dispute - have not prevented the right-wing press whipping up a fake row. Never mind that last year, anti-Semitic attacks in Britain rose by 40 per cent, or that the most grotesque defamations about Jews are creeping back into our public debate. Nope; the real problem with anti-Semitism comes from the Mayor of London - a man with a long history of opposing all racism, all the time.


    Distortions like this have plagued Ken Livingstone throughout his career - and in the long term, it's usually Ken and not his critics who is vindicated. Look at gay rights. At the height of a hysterical homophobic campaign about the "promotion" of homosexuality to children - led by the Murdoch press and their playthings in the Conservative Party - Ken dared to stand in defence of London's gay community. He funded and tirelessly defended "loony left" policies like helplines for gay teenagers and the distribution of leaflets aimed at children with lesbian mothers - and in return, he was dubbed "the most odious man in Britain" by The Sun. And now? Even Michael Howard and The Sun clamour to support gay marriage. When it comes to gay rights, we are all Livingstoneites now.


    And in another, even more controversial area, Ken has turned out to be more right than wrong. As head of the Greater London Council, Livingstone invited Gerry Adams - the head of Sinn Fein-IRA - to this city. Northern Ireland was on fire, and the smoke was getting into the eyes of every British citizen. The British government was arming a sectarian war, and within a few years it would - we now know - back paramilitary death squads. Retaliatory IRA bombs were exploding across Britain, often - appallingly - against civilian targets.


    At the time, the Northern Ireland issue was widely presented as a question of "terrorism"; Margaret Thatcher declared that the IRA were "simply criminals, nothing more" and said: "Belfast is as much part of Britain as my constituency." Ken, by contrast, understood that we were not in the middle of a crime spree but a war, and it could only be brought to an end by a negotiated peace. At the time, this argument - never mind negotiating with Gerry Adams - was depicted as an act of raw evil.


    And now? Adams has been greeted and embraced by a British prime ministers. These days, only eccentrics deny that Sinn Fein - the elected representatives of a majority of Northern Ireland's Catholics - have to be at the dead-centre of peace in Northern Ireland.


    And there's more. Ken saw the importance of well-funded public transport, at a time when Margaret Thatcher was saying that "anybody who still travels by bus at the age of 30 is a failure". Ken understood the importance of environmentalism long before it entered the political mainstream, and he is currently pushing through plans for London to become far more dependent on renewable energy sources. (But who cares about such trivia when there's a juicy, stupid row to be had?)


    Is he perfect? Of course not. His influence on national Labour politics has often been appalling. He was far too close to the anti-democratic madmen of Militant tendency, and he made a terrible misjudgement when he opposed Neil Kinnock's party reforms and later - bizarrely - attacked Gordon Brown as a "right-wing influence dragging down Tony Blair". Recently, he brought the far-right Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi to London, played down his extremism and slandered critics of Qaradawi as "Islamophobic".


    But Ken's willingness to veer wildly off the political script in strange directions can also be an asset: he is, for example, the only senior British politician today calling for "a United States of Europe" and vehemently defending refugees.

    Perhaps that is his greatest strength of all: Ken is resolutely, violently un- boring. In an age of Geoff Hoons and Michael Ancrams - pure electoral Valium - Ken keeps us awake. You can order me a triple espresso of Livingstone any time.


    Only feebs vote.

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    • i think if he'd made a comment like that to a black reporter or any other comment which might be seen as racist he would have been savaged in the media, by both left wing and right wing papers, he would have been condemed by his party and goodness only knows what the CRE (whose silence here has been deafening) would have said about the whole thing...


      I doubt it. Perhaps, but that would have just exposed how silly the papers are. And he's being savaged now, as usual.

      What's happening now is what always happens in these cases. Someone makes a comment that can be construed as racist if you ignore the context, and immediately a storm is raised, primarily by that person's political opponents or whomever has an opportunity to gain some political leverage.

      Red Ken supports Palestinian rights: that makes him the implacable enemy of many right wing and Jewish organizations, who predictably are howling for his resignation and accusing him of being an anti-semite.

      What is Ken to do? If he apologizes for his choice of words, will these people let it drop? No. Of course many people who were disturbed by the remark would do so, because they are decent people, but not the Express. It will be "look he's a Jew -hater, and he admitted it" from now until he dies.

      If he backs down before these scum, that's what will happen.

      Now, if the Express came out and admitted that it was a racist hate rag, and admitted all its wrongs against Ken, then it would be worth him playing nice.

      But given the context of his remarks and the political context of any apology, it would be foolish for him to back down. You cannot play nice when your political opponents are worthless scumbags.
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      • Originally posted by lord of the mark


        Let me take issue with one thing youve said "its a goy thing" there are too many gentiles who DONT do that, and who stand up to it, for me to let that pass.
        Sigh.

        You missed the bit about injecting levity then.

        Time for a vacation in the borscht belt, methinks, or read some Perelman.
        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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        • Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp

          It's transparently obvious to anyone reading that it's an attack on the newspaper, not any race or religion. That's why there's no CPS involvement.
          I don't think so- the guard comment came after Livingstone knew the reporter was Jewish.

          Insults are meant to be offensive, after all, and what better way to offend someone Jewish than by dragging in the Nazi reference?


          It was a cheap shot, and didn't really reference the Rothermere press, but rather the reporter's identity.

          Livingstone should admit his mistake and apologize graciously. Assuming he's still capable....
          Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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          • Originally posted by molly bloom


            Sigh.

            You missed the bit about injecting levity then.

            Time for a vacation in the borscht belt, methinks, or read some Perelman.

            If id time to make my post longer i would have been able to analyze the subtle mix of humor, irony, and underlying seriousness to your comment. I didnt, so I just made a preemptive strike before some jerk or other decided to riff on it. Im really not as humorless or lacking in irony as some think.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • As I said. He should apologise for any offence to the Jewish community, but still stand by the point he was making about the press concerned.
              Speaking of Erith:

              "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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              • Originally posted by lord of the mark

                Im really not as humorless or lacking in irony as some think.
                But you do an excellent job of disguising it betimes.
                Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                • Originally posted by molly bloom


                  But you do an excellent job of disguising it betimes.



                  sigh. RL friends and relations find me quite funny - but usually based on very "in the moment" kinds of things - I can see the humor in a situation, and very fast. But when I TRY to think of a joke, its often forced. The written word is not friendly to my sense of humor, I think.

                  Also it doesnt help that I often post here on topics that are hot buttons for me.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • I'd think being less funny on an online forum than IRL would be a good sign.
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                    • All this comment proves is that Ken Livingston can act as a bastard when he wants to-yes, it was a cheap shot to make a Nazi referrence once you know someone is jewish, even if they work for a deplorable rag.

                      Being a bastard at the same time in no way signifies someone hates a group of people- it takes a hell of a lot more to make that accusation, and I have seen nothing here that would indicate him being an anti-semite.
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                      • Originally posted by DanS
                        What's CPS?
                        The Crown Prosecution Service.
                        The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                        • Originally posted by Edan

                          Yes it does. Their record on Gypsies makes grim reading.
                          Does inheriting the sins of their fathers apply to Germany and Japan, too, or just newspapers? Germany had a fairly bad record with Gypsies, too.
                          [/QUOTE]

                          If they continue in the same spirit, then they get tarred with the same brush.

                          And is a newspaper that supports fascism guilty of war crimes?
                          No it doesn't. That's the error with Ken's statement. While I have no problem with his sentiments, his logic was unusually wobbly. I put this down to the fact that it was a good party and he was pissed as a fart.
                          The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                          • Originally posted by molly bloom

                            I don't think so- the guard comment came after Livingstone knew the reporter was Jewish.

                            Insults are meant to be offensive, after all, and what better way to offend someone Jewish than by dragging in the Nazi reference?
                            It did, but it needs to be taken into context. The "Nazi War Criminal" jibe came before there was any raising of Jewish origin, and the "guard" jibe was a progression from it.

                            Should he have said "Oh my God! You're Jewish! I retract my earlier statement unreservedly!"?

                            OK- I'm not claiming it was a bright thing to do, but it wasn't anti-Semitic. Personally speaking, if I'd been in his position and found out I was confronted by a "Mail" reporter I'd simply have whipped out "Laz Jr" and pissed all over him. The sordid issue of anti-Semitism would never have been raised.
                            The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                            • Ken shouldn't have called him a Nazi camp guard. He should have called him a capo.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • Originally posted by C0ckney
                                as for his disgraces, well how about tea with the IRA in the 80s, and more recently inviting that charming cleric who was frequently quoted giving support to suicide bombers over, shook his hand and had a nice chat and a cup of tea, lovely.
                                He met with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, just as every Northern Ireland Secretary for the last decade has. He was condemned at the time, but simply looks ahead of his time with hindsight.

                                As for the second example, given his record of adopting tactics that soon become the mainstream, I'll reserve judgemnt for now.
                                The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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