FemNazis are at it again!

[KrazyHorse]

Edit:

You're going on my ignore list, Kid. I pulled you off for a while to give you a chance, but this discussion is blowing my mind.

[Pekka]

Kid, hey, establish a business and hire all preggo women if you are so into them. You still claim that they are disadvantaged because of this fact. all I'm saying is, that yeah and isn't it pretty obvious why and that I don't see anything wrong in it. Just like I wouldn't hire a man who is pregnant right now. Just happens to be tha twomen are the ones that can get pregnant. Too bad, like I said, it's a logical reason why not to hire someone, and since employer can decide, it's up to them, and god bless them for it.

[Kidlicious]

Why not we pay men for being the *******s that they are? Why not pay women for not being *******s?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You're the whiniest person I've ever had the displeasure of talking to. Onto ignore you go you go....

Why didn't you just do that a long time ago?

[Pekka]

now this is getting pretty irrational..

But for the record, I think the job should have a price, meaning that the same job done by man or woman should be always rewarded equally, and this is an area women are being screwed over in many places and it's not right.

[Last Conformist]

@Kid: Could you stop complaining long enough to suggest a solution?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kid, hey, establish a business and hire all preggo women if you are so into them. You still claim that they are disadvantaged because of this fact. all I'm saying is, that yeah and isn't it pretty obvious why and that I don't see anything wrong in it. Just like I wouldn't hire a man who is pregnant right now. Just happens to be tha twomen are the ones that can get pregnant. Too bad, like I said, it's a logical reason why not to hire someone, and since employer can decide, it's up to them, and god bless them for it.

It's not too bad that women get pregnant. It's a very good thing. It's also good that they nurture children, because we want less *******s in the world. But we shouldn't take that for granted. Sure many will still do it, but it's not fair to reward them for it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
@Kid: Could you stop complaining long enough to suggest a solution?

The best thing to do is to raise our children better. Boy's are taught that the better they treat themselves the better they are. I have no specific solutions to that. But one thing that we could do is stop punishing people for raising children, and rewarding people who just care about themselves.

[chequita guevara]

There is a tendency to overlook the impact testosterone has on us. There's a showThis American Life on NPR and they did a show on testosterone.

One of the stories was of a woman wh'd had a sex change to a man, and she was describing her change. Now this woman was a lesbian and a hard core feminist, but when she started getting her injections, she found herself thinking in ways that were totally repulsive politically to her. She'd be walking down the street and start looking at women as objects "I'd totally like to ..." and then she'd beat on herself emotionally. She also found herself getting more competitive and more violent.

Now she's a he and he says he has a lot more sympathy for men then he had before and says that more women should try testosterone for a bit, just to see how affected men are by the hormone. This should not be much of a surprise for anyone who watches his female partner's hormonal mood swings.

[Pekka]

Kid, right but you do know that hiring pregnant women just doesn't make any sense to the business. AND of course the business serves its own interests.

This is only in situation where the applicant is already pregnant coming in, because it means she'll be taking time off soon, a long period. It's not punishing her. It's protecting your own business. Basically, you can't use her skills soon. Would I hire a preggo... most likely not, but if she has skills beyond other applicants, then it is possible. Is the man of the house going to be taking more responsiblitiy over the future kid, meaning is he taking leaves to raise the kid while the mom could be working? If so, even better.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kidicious


The best thing to do is to raise our children better. Boy's are taught that the better they treat themselves the better they are. I have no specific solutions to that.

Irrelevant. Men won't be getting pregnant just because we change their upbringing.

But one thing that we could do is stop punishing people for raising children, and rewarding people who just care about themselves.

For something like the 3rd time, how do you propose doing that?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kid, right but you do know that hiring pregnant women just doesn't make any sense to the business. AND of course the business serves its own interests.

This is only in situation where the applicant is already pregnant coming in, because it means she'll be taking time off soon, a long period. It's not punishing her. It's protecting your own business. Basically, you can't use her skills soon. Would I hire a preggo... most likely not, but if she has skills beyond other applicants, then it is possible. Is the man of the house going to be taking more responsiblitiy over the future kid, meaning is he taking leaves to raise the kid while the mom could be working? If so, even better.

My only point is that women tend to get a bad deal for the whole thing. I know companies can't hire a bunch of pregnant women.

[Pekka]

Yeah they do. But what can be done about it, nothing. What SHOULD be done about it, I think nothing. Because it's no ones fault. Who should pay the raw deal, because no one is at fault. So let's leave it like it is now.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Irrelevant. Men won't be getting pregnant just because we change their upbringing.

No, but they will be more socially responsible. Maybe they hire and promote some women and be more understanding of their problems.

For something like the 3rd time, how do you propose doing that?

For me capitalism is the root of the problem of course.

I don't know of specific solutions of the feminists, besides some of the one's you've mentioned though. I'm not really a feminist. I just understand that they have some good critisisms of our societies.

[Last Conformist]

Something should be done about it, because the job market discouraging women from getting kids is one of the chief reasons for the demographic squeeze in Europe.

Long term, we'll probably have to de facto pay women for getting kids.