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Originally posted by Ramo
I don't say how you can seriously say that Deaniacs "don't vote" given the massive increases in Democratic turnout.
The large number of Democratic losses in both houses of Congress for one.
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In the House, TX redistricting accounts for basically all of the Democratic losses. In the Senate, the Dems had more unfriendly territory to defend, and many of the losses were pretty small anyways (i.e. KY, FL, and SD).
And again:
"The problem was the Kerry failed to harness this energy, and the Republicans did it better."
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Maybe the language wins because a majority agree with the sentiment?
Or maybe the new language wins because the Republicans have invested billions of dollars into changing it for the past 30 years, while the Democrats haven't?
Check out a linguist George Lakoff, he has very interesting ideas about this sort of thing.
Then explain how Conservatives North of the 49th can't buy a sniff of power since the Liberals have monopolised the 'language' that gets elected here.
We speak the same language, but the parties come up with very different results. When the Tories were last in power, for two consecutive majority terms that were very uncommon at that time, the Liberals were firmly engaged in the politics of the left. The Liberals came back, and obliterated the Tories, when they said '**** that', and took back the centre by appealing to the things that most Canadians would respond to.
Since then the right has been out in the wilderness and not anywhere near what the centre would vote for en masse. Curious how much can be different if you step across a border line, isn't it?
The door is open for your Democrats, but feel free to ignore the centre and stay in the wilderness for as long as you like.
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Its about time we have someone with balls in a leadership position.
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nye, the Republican Party infrastructure doesn't create Conservative radio stations in Canada, it doesn't give training courses in political language to Tory mp's, etc., etc. The Republican Party also doesn't enforce message discipline among Tory mp's.
And it's not the same language. Tell me, do NDP or Liberal mp's call tax cuts "tax relief," D&X "partial birth abortion"? 'Cuz that's the norm for Democrats (and of course the media).
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
As a matter of fact, the Liberals have been by far the more fiscally responsible party, nationally. They have brought in tax cuts. At the same time they have championed minority rights. Wow, they are playing both sides and winning up the middle. Go figure.
As for radio, talk is pretty right here too. We have our own talk jocks, they just don't get as silly as some of yours. BTW, was Howard Stern a Republican?
The training in political language that our Tories get is watching your politics. It just happens the Liebrals trash their ass when it comes to a national campaign because the Liberals will have already staked out great patches of the issues important to the centre.
It will not always be thus, they will go back left. And then the centre will begin to vote Tory and the pendulum will swing. It always has.
Oh, and if you explained partial birth abortion to any 9 Canadians out of 10, you would end up with restrictions on abortion. We haven't had that yet. If I were the Tories, I'd be putting up graphic posters.
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Partial birth abortion is a **** of a good way to illustrate how retarded the Democrats (and Liberals) are when it comes to politics.
The baby can be within 24 hours of being born, but no, we will crack open its skull and suck out its brains to get it out without 'undue discomfort to the mother'.
Are you not disgusted by this? Do you think more than 20% of people would be in favour of no restrictions on abortion if they understood what was involved in extreme cases?
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As a matter of fact, the Liberals have been by far the more fiscally responsible party, nationally. They have brought in tax cuts. At the same time they have championed minority rights. Wow, they are playing both sides and winning up the middle. Go figure.
Democrats support tax cuts too. But that's not the point, what language do the Liberals and NDP use?
As for radio, talk is pretty right here too. We have our own talk jocks, they just don't get as silly as some of yours. BTW, was Howard Stern a Republican?
If you think that left-wing talk radio holds a candle to right-wing talk radio in the US, you're delusional (Howard Stern is a poor example of a left-wing partisan radio jock incidentally, really Air America and Democracy Now only qualify). There simply is no comparison between the two. I don't know how it is in Canada, but I doubt that virtually all talk radio is rabidly conservative.
The Republicans have dropped, huge, huge, huge amounts of money into radio stations, think tanks, and other party infrastructure. And it has paid off very well.
Oh, and if you explained partial birth abortion to any 9 Canadians out of 10, you would end up with restrictions on abortion. We haven't had that yet. If I were the Tories, I'd be putting up graphic posters.
And if the mother's life is in danger, what would 90% of Canadian say?
The training in political language that our Tories get is watching your politics. It just happens the Liebrals trash their ass when it comes to a national campaign because the Liberals will have already staked out great patches of the issues important to the centre.
Issue-wise, the Democrats own the center. On basically any poll, regarding specific policy programs, the Democrats win. They just have no idea how to articulate it.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Originally posted by DinoDoc
The large number of Democratic losses in both houses of Congress for one.
Nearly all of those loses came from one state, Texas. The very same state the Republicans jerrymandered to insure their victory. Without the jerrymandering it was a wash.
I suggest Clinton wasn't an anomally and that he won because he was a centrist. There is a lesson there if people will listen.
What do you believe the lesson of 1994 was?
Partial birth abortion is a **** of a good way to illustrate how retarded the Democrats (and Liberals) are when it comes to politics.
The baby can be within 24 hours of being born, but no, we will crack open its skull and suck out its brains to get it out without 'undue discomfort to the mother'.
Are you not disgusted by this? Do you think more than 20% of people would be in favour of no restrictions on abortion if they understood what was involved in extreme cases?
Hold up, who said anything about no restriction? I don't know how it is in Canada, but the Republicans want to ban D&X even in cases where the mother's life is in danger.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
I suggest Clinton wasn't an anomally and that he won because he was a centrist. There is a lesson there if people will listen.
What do you believe the lesson of 1994 was?
Very simple. Clinton got elected and moved left away from the center. He started pushing for National Health Care and ending the ban on gays in the military among other things. These are nice ideas but it was more then enough to convince the center that Clinton, and by reflection the Democratic Party, was leftist instead of centrist. Bam, we lose election.
As a matter of fact, the Liberals have been by far the more fiscally responsible party, nationally. They have brought in tax cuts. At the same time they have championed minority rights. Wow, they are playing both sides and winning up the middle. Go figure.
Democrats support tax cuts too. But that's not the point, what language do the Liberals and NDP use?
The NDP aren't part of the picture. They stand less chance than a snowball in hell of ever forming a government.
The Liberals co-opted the Conservative fiscal agenda. They delivered on balanced budgets and tax cuts when the Conservatives floundered. Don't tell me that the Democrats couldn't get traction on the issue of deficits.
The language they used was 'responsible government'. Revolutionary, I know, but it might be worth the risk to propose it to the American electorate.
As for radio, talk is pretty right here too. We have our own talk jocks, they just don't get as silly as some of yours. BTW, was Howard Stern a Republican?
If you think that left-wing talk radio holds a candle to right-wing talk radio in the US, you're delusional (Howard Stern is a poor example of a left-wing partisan radio jock incidentally, really Air America and Democracy Now only qualify). There simply is no comparison between the two. I don't know how it is in Canada, but I doubt that virtually all talk radio is rabidly conservative.
The Republicans have dropped, huge, huge, huge amounts of money into radio stations, think tanks, and other party infrastructure. And it has paid off very well.
I can tell you what I hear. I hear rabid critics of the Liberal government. What I hear only a zombie would vote based on.
I don't live in Toronto, but I doubt the Liberals get a free ride there.
Still, they win.
Oh, and if you explained partial birth abortion to any 9 Canadians out of 10, you would end up with restrictions on abortion. We haven't had that yet. If I were the Tories, I'd be putting up graphic posters.
And if the mother's life is in danger, what would 90% of Canadian say?
I doubt it comes down to that. I doubt that any from the Liberals or Democrats would ever admit that abortions in the third trimester depended on the mother's health. No, the issue is no restrictions, or Pro Choice 'no matter what', no matter what everyone else thinks about it.
Religion be damned. I am not religious, but the thought of a child who is hours from life outside of the womb being dismembered and destroyed on a whim is disgusting and it cries out for restriction.
The training in political language that our Tories get is watching your politics. It just happens the Liebrals trash their ass when it comes to a national campaign because the Liberals will have already staked out great patches of the issues important to the centre.
Issue-wise, the Democrats own the center. On basically any poll, regarding specific policy programs, the Democrats win. They just have no idea how to articulate it.
I would say that election results do not back you up.
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Hold up, who said anything about no restriction? I don't know how it is in Canada, but the Republicans want to ban D&X even in cases where the mother's life is in danger.
And the Democrats insist on no restrictions.
There's an issue you could cut the Rebublicans down at the knees on if only the Democrats would admit that 'anything goes' is not an acceptable public policy when it comes to human life.
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Centrism is wrong. It makes no stands, only compromises.
Howard Dean is no centrist. I have few doubts that his chairmanship will lead to anything but positive results for the Democratic Party (and that's in a progressive, not a centrist, sense)
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