Howard Dean new Democrat party chairman

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Kidicious
I think there is a lot of voters like you. I wish the Dems would turn anti-abortion and go more for the religious people who support more liberal economic programs, and less war. That leave room for the feminists and others for a left wing party.

You forget that woman make up a majority of DP supporters. Once the DP drops reproductive rights, the DP becomes a permanent minority party.

I don't think so. I think they pick up a lot of the people that they have been trying to pick up. A lot of women are against abortion.

[chequita guevara]

Most women (and men for that matter), however, are pro-choice. You don't sacrifice your main constituancy for questionable gains in another one. All that would happen is that the vast majority of the party would exit the DP, leaving it a rump, conservative, Christian party, which would just end up merging with the GOP.

Anyway, what would happen to abortion rights if the DP didn't defend them? They'd disappear. The only damn thing that party is good for is defending reproductive freedom.

[Kidlicious]

If people are so pro-choice why does the GOP win? I think you are ignoring the current realities. Anyway, I would think you would like to see a third party emerge, but you have always been some what faithfull to your Dems.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
If people are so pro-choice why does the GOP win?

Because they put other priorities ahead of abortion, such as not having Arabs trying to kill them.

I would think you would like to see a third party emerge, but you have always been some what faithfull to your Dems.

I'd love to see it. It's just that the GOP is so awful that I verbaly defend the DP more than I should.

[OzzyKP]

I'd LOVE to see the Democratic Party turn pro-life, but its not going to happen. The best they can and should do is stop being so vocally and rabidly pro-choice. Support stuff like the partial birth abortion ban, stop wearing shirts that say "I had an abortion", maybe soften support for roe v. wade on a state's rights stance, and still firmly push for legal abortions at the state level.

[Harry Tuttle]

Props to Che for being on the mark in this thread.

Dean is an extremist. He is a rabid, foaming at the mouth, angry individual. Republicans see this man screaming into a microphone and a mental alert is immediately broadcast over the Republican leadership consciousness with the words "Kill at all cost" in big red letters.

Let's face the facts. Barring another Great Depression, or Richard Nixon, or Bill Clinton the Dems, in their current form, will keep losing elections. The basics of political strategy were lost on them the last election as to many people were focused on killing the head of the snake rather than its body. I remember wondering what the hell was going on with the Congressional races in October, but I guess everyone was to busy watching Michael Moore prostrate himself all over TV.

They need new direction more now than ever and playing to the wants of different interest groups will not win them elections. They need to get in touch with the regular American, not Mr. Compost and Mrs. NeverNair.

[Kidlicious]

Harry Tuttle

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Kidicious
If people are so pro-choice why does the GOP win?

Because they put other priorities ahead of abortion

A lot of people do that. So why don't the Dems just go ahead and make the switch? No one really votes for pro-choice, except freminists, but there sure are a lot of people who vote pro-life. There are a lot of people who don't vote for the Dems for the simple fact that they think they are feminists.

The Dems are a liability to the left, and the left is a liability to them. There comes a time for alliances to end. As for me, I never liked those ****s anyway.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Dean is an extremist.

You're wrong... but I won't let that stop you from making inane rants. Carry on.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Sava
You're wrong... but I won't let that stop you from making inane rants. Carry on.

Go scream into a microphone and whip up some young, naive supporters that vote on the basis of "I hate Bush" and see what people think of you then.

[chequita guevara]

There's a diference between militant and extremist. Robbespierre was an extremist, but he wasn't one for screaming and shouting. Dean is a militant, i.e., an enthusiastic, vocal, and active supporter of his cause. I'm an extremist. You have the idea right, Harry, just the wrong word.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
There's a diference between militant and extremist. Robbespierre was an extremist, but he wasn't one for screaming and shouting. Dean is a militant, i.e., an enthusiastic, vocal, and active supporter of his cause. I'm an extremist. You have the idea right, Harry, just the wrong word.

No, in my head it sounds just about right.

[Odin]

Dean:

[Q Classic]

I guess they are standing on principles. Good for them. They can lose all the elections they want. It is certainly their right.

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Japan
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"...We have never sought to become a [one party state]. Rather, our [views] are simply so [right] that nobody feels the need to compete."
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[Q Classic]

Centrism is wrong. It makes no stands, only compromises.

WOO!

Liberal's already a dirty word, I can't wait until "Centrist" and "Moderate" become just as vile insults!