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Originally posted by Whaleboy
Ming... it's well over 1% of the US population
Ming... it's well over 1% of the US population
1 % of that is 2,953,842 not 350,000
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Current US population estimate = 295,384,226
1 % of that is 2,953,842 not 350,000
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Your inclinations for "universal" health care shows you are far off to the left. I'm in the center, you aren't. It is that simple. Socialised healthcare would be a total disaster. Universal health care IS NOT the most effective and efficent system so far. That's a bam.Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
I'm a commie? I'm a centrist who happens to believe that universal health care is the most effective and efficient system so far.
And please give me some (non-partisan) figures proving its the "largest factor in the United States" pushing up costs. I find that extremely hard to believe and it flys in the face of logic.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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350 000 = households, not individuals.
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Not that I think it would reach 1%, but probably close to half a percent12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
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I'm not implying communism in the least. Are public schools communism? Is the library a communist institution? Of course not. Public does not equal communist.Originally posted by Dissident
being a doctor is one of the most challenging careers one can take. You don't think they deserve the money they make? It takes them years just to pay off their costs for college and med school.
what you are implying is communism. Where doctors make the same as the rest of us.
And why can't you have high payed doctors in a universal system?
All you're doing is replacing the middle man. In one case, you pay the government and they pay the hospitals. In another case you pay a company and they pay the hospital. Either way the hospital and the doctors get paid. Nothing else changes... besides the fact that everyone gets the care they need.
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I knowOriginally posted by KrazyHorse
350 000 = households, not individuals.
But for it to be over 1%, the average household size of those going bankrupt would have to be 8.4 people...
I don't think so
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A universal socialized health care system as it is showed, drives down wages paid to doctors. That is how it is. It moreso goes to structural requirements. This kind of example is in Europe, where doctors are paid far less then here in the US.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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So?
What kind of twisted reasoning is that?Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - EpicurusComment
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Ming defending bankruptcy and republicans.
doesn't matter if it is less than 1%, it's still a lot of people.Comment
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Yes, and thats a drawback. But its a pretty small one. Wages can go up if the government is willing to pay them... there's no absolute saying it has to be low.Originally posted by Giancarlo
A universal socialized health care system as it is showed, drives down wages paid to doctors. That is how it is. It moreso goes to structural requirements. This kind of example is in Europe, where doctors are paid far less then here in the US.
And so what if a doctor doesn't make 200k a year. Who cares? I'd rather have lower paid doctors and everyone going to them than the reverse...
Your inclinations for "universal" health care shows you are far off to the left. I'm in the center, you aren't. It is that simple. Socialised healthcare would be a total disaster. Universal health care IS NOT the most effective and efficent system so far. That's a bam.
You know, even the Conservative Party in Canada supports public health care. You make them look like communists, and they're pretty out there at times. You're very right wing, dude. But thats not the point....
Prove that the US for-profit system is more efficient if you don't believe me. Here's my proof, and I can find alot more. I bet you can't find anything proving your side:
Edit: And Fez, only in the US is supporting Universal health care considered "left wing". Everywhere else its a non-issue. Its like calling non-racists "left wing". Health care is a right in most industrial countries.Comment
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Who cares? They're all collectively guilty for allowing a system that doesn't work, so it's just they suffer under it.
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Government intervention in healthcare is far more likely because of the way the market for healthcare operates.
Healthcare professionals have to be very knowledgable about their subject, and are almost always far more knowledgable than their customers.
When the seller of a product or service has a large advantage over the buyer you usually get a more imperfect market than normal.
This can easily be seen by the fact that Doctors etc. are not allowed to practice unless they belong to the professional bodies - which have far more in common with the medieval guild system than with a modern market economy - which is a clear restraint on trade which boosts the incomes of doctors, but one which the vast majority of people are willing to pay for in return for the trust they have to place in people selling them the service.
Free trade works far less well in healthcare than in most other markets, the question is would government intervention (which will be inevitable to some extent or another) be better, I think that it depends greatly on how the government intervenes and whether it can try and make the market work better than it currently does.19th Century Liberal, 21st Century EuropeanComment
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It is a huge drawback. What if these doctors are paid so little, they don't want to do their job? Being a doctor is a difficult, often gruesome job and I believe they deserve a better wage then what a universal healthcare system can afford.Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Yes, and thats a drawback. But its a pretty small one. Wages can go up if the government is willing to pay them... there's no absolute saying it has to be low.
And so what if a doctor doesn't make 200k a year. Who cares? I'd rather have lower paid doctors and everyone going to them than the reverse...
Canada is Canada. We are talking about the United States, not some damn socialist state.
You know, even the Conservative Party in Canada supports public health care. You make them look like communists, and they're pretty out there at times. You're very right wing, dude. But thats not the point....
Prove that the US for-profit system is more efficient if you don't believe me. Here's my proof, and I can find alot more. I bet you can't find anything proving your side:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=AbstractFor there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Yeah, so? Maybe you'll actually get people becoming doctors who - gasp- want to be doctors! Not everyone practices medicine because they want two porches...Originally posted by Giancarlo
It is a huge drawback. What if these doctors are paid so little, they don't want to do their job? Being a doctor is a difficult, often gruesome job and I believe they deserve a better wage then what a universal healthcare system can afford.
Canada is Canada. We are talking about the United States, not some damn socialist state. Do you ever listen to yourself? How is that an argument? Are these the types of points you make when you write papers for school? What kind of marks do you get?
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Leave it to the microsoft prostitute to jump at a chance for snobbery.Originally posted by Asher
Leave it to the high-school dropout to be concerned about everyone else paying their bills for them.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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