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    From today's New York Times:

    Dean Emerging as Likely Chief for Democrats
    By ADAM NAGOURNEY and ANNE E. KORNBLUT

    ASHINGTON, Feb. 1 - Howard Dean emerged Tuesday as the almost assured new leader of the Democratic National Committee, as one of his main rivals quit the race and Democrats streamed to announce their support of a man whose presidential campaign collapsed one year ago.

    Dr. Dean's dominance was secured after Martin Frost, a former representative from Texas, whom many Democrats viewed as the institutional counterpart to Dr. Dean, dropped out after failing - in what had become an increasingly long-shot effort - to win support from national labor unions. The A.F.L.-C.I.O. announced instead that it would remain neutral, freeing its affiliate members to do what they wanted, which proved in many cases to be boarding the Dean train.

    "It's a fait accompli, it's over: Dean's going to be it," said Gerald McEntee, head of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, who runs the umbrella political organization for all the unions in the A.F.L.-C.I.O.

    Actually, the final word rests with the 447 members of the Democratic National Committee, who will vote on Feb. 12 in Washington on a successor to Terry McAuliffe. And Dr. Dean faces a last obstacle, the candidacy of Donnie Fowler Jr., a Democratic operative from South Carolina.

    Fowler aides said they hoped to benefit from the appearance of this as a two-man race with an opponent with a history of sometimes unorthodox political behavior. Still, they acknowledged that the possibility of a real competition was dimming.

    There were few Democrats in Washington who doubted that Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, was on the verge of taking over the party, with the support of much, though certainly not all, of its establishment. Democrats marveled at how someone who had been viewed as a symbol of some of the excesses of the party - Mr. McEntee described Dr. Dean as "nuts" after he withdrew his endorsement of him in the middle of the presidential campaign - was now on the brink of becoming a face of the opposition to President Bush.

    Democrats said Dr. Dean overcame the hurdles of his failed presidential candidacy by intensely courting Democratic leaders, assuring them that he was not the liberal and undisciplined caricature that many said they saw last year. He also freely made the kind of bread-and-butter promises that have always helped politicians win elections, promising to channel at least $11 million in national Democratic money to pay salaries at the state parties, Democratic officials said.

    And Dr. Dean promised that he would bring to the Democratic National Committee the base of young and enthusiastic voters and the generous Internet contributors who helped power his high-flying, if short, campaign for president.

    The overtures have been embraced by Democratic leaders, many still demoralized by the Republican election machine that managed to outdo what Democrats had viewed as Mr. McAuliffe's extraordinary success in building the party's organization and fund-raising.

    Dr. Dean also benefited from a relatively weak field. Democrats uncomfortable with his candidacy have had trouble finding someone to rally around: Mr. Fowler, 37, is viewed as a youthful political operative who even his allies concede may not yet have the stature to lead the party.

    As chairman, Dr. Dean would not only become one of the leading voices of the party, but would also be responsible for raising money and continuing Mr. McAuliffe's effort to build a party organization in preparation for the 2006 and 2008 elections. His prominence is likely to diminish as the party's presidential candidates for 2008 start to emerge.

    Dr. Dean is moving to the forefront of Washington politics at a moment when the party, seen as lacking any obvious leaders in the wake of the November defeat of Tom Daschle, the Senate minority leader, has been struggling to define its case against Mr. Bush on the war in Iraq and on overhauling Social Security.

    Dr. Dean has already shown that he may not be willing to be the traditional deferential party chairman, declaring, for example, that he would have opposed the nomination of Alberto R. Gonzales for attorney general and criticizing Senator Harry Reid, the Senate minority leader, for saying he would support Justice Antonin Scalia to be chief justice.

    The two Democratic leaders in Congress did not back Dr. Dean and encouraged one of his rivals, Tim Roemer, a former congressman from Indiana, and there were signs that they were not rushing to cede the stage to him.

    "I think that Governor Dean would take his lead from us," said Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the House Democratic leader.

    And Mr. Reid said: "The Democratic chairman has a constituency of 447 people. Our constituency is much larger than that."

    Republicans, who had already been portraying the Democrats as obstructionist and extreme, seemed somewhere between being delighted and amused to have Dr. Dean to kick around again, instantly invoking a defining moment in his career.

    "After 10 years, you wonder if Democrats are running out of ways to say no," said Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the House majority leader. "But then again, if they make Howard Dean the party chairman, I guess you could scream it."

    Richard Bond, the former head of the Republican National Committee, said: "He's a very capable guy, he's got high energy, but he will reinforce all of their worst instincts. His style and message is one that will narrow his party's options rather than expand them."

    "I think it's a scream," Mr. Bond said.

    Mr. Frost was one of two Democrats to drop out from the race on Tuesday. David Leland, a former Ohio party chairman, who had drawn minimal support for his bid, also quit, and endorsed Dr. Dean.

    Mr. Frost did not make a public endorsement, though he left little doubt of how he saw the race settling. "The challenge ahead for Governor Dean will be to unite the party, rebuild the D.N.C. and win elections in every region of the country," he said.

    In addition to Mr. Fowler, the remaining candidates are Mr. Roemer and Simon Rosenberg, the head of the moderate New Democrat Network . Both Mr. Roemer and Mr. Rosenberg said they would stay in the race, though their prospects appeared remote.

    Several Democrats said that only Mr. Fowler appeared to have any chance of raising an anti-Dean flag, and that his hopes for doing that were contingent on Mr. Roemer and Mr. Rosenberg stepping aside.

    Dr. Dean announced the support of 53 new committee members, bringing his total vote count to 103 public commitments, his campaign said. He won the formal endorsement of the Service Employees International Union, said Anna Burger, its secretary-treasurer. Among the committee members supporting him are Edward J. McElroy, the president of the American Federation of Teachers.

    Mr. McEntee of the public employees union said he would probably support Dr. Dean as well. He said Mr. Fowler and his father, Don Fowler, a former D.N.C. chairman, had telephoned him Tuesday to urge him not to view Dr. Dean's election as inevitable. Mr. McEntee said he advised Mr. Fowler to quit the race.

    Although some union leaders had been wary of supporting Dr. Dean, they have come to view his stewardship of the party as inevitable. Even Guillermo Meneses, a spokesman for Mr. Rosenberg, reflected a similar attitude, although he said his candidate would stay in the race.

    "We are assessing the situation, with a dose of realism," he said.
    Howard Dean emerges as likely new leader of Democratic National Committee; Martin Frost withdraws after failing to win labor union support and AFL-CIO decision to remain neutral; only remaining rival is Donnie Fowler Jr, 37-year-old political operative who even allies concede may not yet have stature to lead party; Dean overcomes hurdles of failed presidential candidacy by intensely courting party leaders, assuring them he is not liberal and undisciplined caricature; also makes customary bread-and-butter promises, pledging to channel at least $11 million to pay salaries at state parties and to bring along his base of young, enthusiastic voters and Internet contributors; moves to forefront at time when party lacks obvious leaders in Washington (M)


    Well, it could be interesting. And while it may not be a formula for near-term gains, it could lead to long term re-definition of the Dems, which could only be a good thing.
    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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    Yaargh!
    "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
    "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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    • #3
      Dean is not a main stream candidate and if we get a party spokesman who most mainstream people dislike then it will just make it harder for the party to get its message out. The Democrats are welcome to continue their implosion if they wish tough.

      Eventually the far left wing will run out of chances and then the moderates will actually be put in charge. That's what happened to Labor in the 70's through 9-'s, that's what happened to Republicans in the 70's, and eventually Democrats will wake up to the fact that Clinton was right and the left wing needs to be muzzled for the party's good.
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      • #4
        It could only mean more disaster. I'm really sorry you dems are going to pick a man who is only going to throw your party into further down-ward spirial. If Dean is picked, it will truly mean a further downfall for the dems.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #5
          You wanna know what's wrong with your party? It might be the number of times labour unions and their reps are mentioned in that article.
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          • #6
            I don't get what the leader of the DNC does.
            Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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            • #7
              You wanna know what's wrong with your party? It might be the number of times labour unions and their reps are mentioned in that article.
              More or less the same number of times corporate executives would be mentioned in an article about the RNC.

              I don't get what the leader of the DNC does.
              Pretty much what the party leader of a UK party does, except that he doesn't stand for election; he raises money, promotes the party message, tries to develop candidates for a range of national and local offices, etc.
              "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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              • #8
                If the Democrats want to have any chance of remaining a viable party, they need to go the moderate route.
                'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The diplomat
                  If the Democrats want to have any chance of remaining a viable party, they need to go the moderate route.
                  Pretty much what liberals said about the GOP after Goldwater, iirc...
                  "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                  • #10
                    The Republicans are giddy. YEEEAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      I am dismayed. The counter reaction will be an emboldening of the Repubs to go even farther right. This signals even less opportunity for moderate voices/candidates of both sides of the aisle to be tkaen seriously.
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                      • #12
                        Re: The beginning of the end of Republican lite?

                        Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
                        From today's New York Times:



                        Howard Dean emerges as likely new leader of Democratic National Committee; Martin Frost withdraws after failing to win labor union support and AFL-CIO decision to remain neutral; only remaining rival is Donnie Fowler Jr, 37-year-old political operative who even allies concede may not yet have stature to lead party; Dean overcomes hurdles of failed presidential candidacy by intensely courting party leaders, assuring them he is not liberal and undisciplined caricature; also makes customary bread-and-butter promises, pledging to channel at least $11 million to pay salaries at state parties and to bring along his base of young, enthusiastic voters and Internet contributors; moves to forefront at time when party lacks obvious leaders in Washington (M)


                        Well, it could be interesting. And while it may not be a formula for near-term gains, it could lead to long term re-definition of the Dems, which could only be a good thing.


                        People who voted for Kerry were stupid. He lost anyway. They voted for the wrong guy for nothing.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                        • #13
                          Is there actually any other eason to care about this than that Dean is involved?

                          CERTAINLY THIS ELECTION TO A TASK NO-ONE'S CARED A WHIT ABOUT BEFORE WILL LEAD THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO 1000 YEARS OF VICTORY/DEFEAT
                          "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                          "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                          • #14
                            People who voted for Dean were stupid. He couldn't even make it past the primary. They voted for the wrong guy for nothing.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starchild
                              I don't get what the leader of the DNC does.
                              Promises crap to people to get the job, and then screws over other people to make good on those promises once he gets the job. Typical political job.
                              He's got the Midas touch.
                              But he touched it too much!
                              Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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