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  • #136
    Acoording to the NYT, the UIA has commited itself to a secular government run by non clerics(meaning Hakim won't be PM).


    That NYT article is crap then. The UIA does not want a secular government (to be more precise, the dominant players in the UIA do not want a secular gov't), they generally want personal status law to be religous. And clearly Hakim could be PM, he's running for the national assembly (but I'd think Jaafari would have a better shot at PM since Da'wa is generally stronger than SCIRI). What the UIA has committed itself to is not having an Iran-style gov't; that politicians don't get power merely because they are part of the clerical establishment. Frankly, I think Hakim's after more, but that's just suspicion given his background as an Iranian proxy.

    To be honest with you, I don't care much if the Sunni Arabs vote. They're only 20% of the population and shouldn't be catered to. If they want to be represented, they need to vote. They need to eat their spinach and accept a reasonable portion of the power available. That's the bottom line.


    Seing as how they're driving the insurgency their turnout should matter a great deal to you. If they vote, that means they believe they have a stake into the political process, and are more likely to put down their arms.

    Here's hoping that Ramo and Zogby are just as correct about the Iraqi election as they were about the US election!


    You hope that Zogby's numbers are off by a couple percent, within the MOE? Why do you hate the Iraqi people?

    Yep, turnout at about 72%, death toll under 50. This is a great day for IRaq, and a firm statement by the Iraqi people showing that they favor a democracy.


    72% was revised to 60%, then to "we have no frickin clue".

    Sadr is a junio0r ayatollah and he wanted to be the Grand Ayatollah so he started killing his rivals and when it looked like he was caught in the act Sadr attempted to become a popular revolutionary figure hoping that would sweep him into power like it did Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.


    Actually, Sadr isn't an Ayatollah. He's pretty far down in the clerical establishment.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
    -Bokonon

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    • #137
      Mr. Cole seems to have a lot of opinions which are contradicted by basic facts. No need to change opinions over little things like fats however.


      Which basic facts?
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #138
        "72% was revised to 60%, then to "we have no frickin clue"."

        It is this stupid rhetoric that causes problems. 72% was an unofficial figure. 60% is the widely accepted figure. It is people like Ramo and Mr. Cole who want this fail. I don't see why he even has any moral standing to speak. How can you be against elections?

        "Why do you hate the Iraqi people?"

        One should ask you that.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #139
          Adults are discussing this right now, go away.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #140
            Originally posted by Ramo
            Adults are discussing this right now, go away.
            I'm sorry you had to leave so soon. Yes the adults are discussing. Thanks for excusing yourself.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #141
              I must confez there is at least one reason why engaging in political discussion on Poly is rather annoying, so I'll just wish good luck to the people of Iraq, and hope they succeed in putting their country back together, despite the nutcase Bu****es doing their best to **** things up.
              "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
              - Lone Star

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Jaakko
                despite the nutcase Bu****es doing their best to **** things up.
                You must admit it is more you people on the left doing your best to **** things up.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo


                  You must admit it is more you people on the left doing your best to **** things up.
                  Who is responsible for the entirety of the Iraq invasion, "the left" or the Bush administration?
                  "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                  - Lone Star

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Jaakko


                    Who is responsible for the entirety of the Iraq invasion, "the left" or the Bush administration?
                    The Bush adminstration liberated Iraq. IF it was left to you people, Saddam would be ruling. In fact, you would probably lift sanctions.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by Giancarlo


                      The Bush adminstration liberated Iraq. IF it was left to you people, Saddam would be ruling. In fact, you would probably lift sanctions.
                      Now now, don't get ahead of yourself. Do you agree that everything that the Iraq invasion brings or has brought forth is the responsiblity of the Bush administration, good or bad?
                      "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                      - Lone Star

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                      • #146
                        "the left" is responsible for every bad thing that goes on Jaakko, haven't you heard?

                        It's nice that paranoid dillusional people have their boogeymen.

                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by Ramo

                          Which basic facts?
                          For starts Mr Cole seems to believe that voting for parties instead of individual candidates is some how totally undemocratic. I prefer the other way but Canada and several western European countries hold elections where you vote for Political Parties based upon that party's platform and I do believe Canada is a democratic country dispite that.

                          I also take exception to the second paragraph of Mr Cole's article because he doesn't get the time line right at all. Several ideas were floated by policy hacks but those were never from the Administration; the only one the US ever officially endorsed was Bremer followed by the creation of the IGC followed by elections. There were individuals backing different ideas in the administration and Powell had a very public disagreement with Rumsfield about Cholobi but none of Rumsfield's more wide eyed anti-democratic ideas ever was endorsed as official policy so to claim other wise is disingenious.

                          Lastly I take exception to Mr Cole's claim that the election was "deeply troubling and flawed" certainly things weren't perfect but no one is claiming fraud and dispite minor violence turn out on a national level was much higher then in the US or Europe. I stand by my previous estimates (made days ago) that turn out will be in the 60% to 70% range. I base that on how likely each ethnic group is to vote and what percentage of the population they make up.

                          Mr Cole seems to be ideologically driven in nearly everything he does and I dispise ideologically driving"reporters" because I cannot trust what they are reporting. I have never been a fan of the Bush Administration, however, that doesn't mean I would support people like Mr. Cole who are simply the left wing version of the administration in terms of partisan zeal.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Jaakko


                            Now now, don't get ahead of yourself. Do you agree that everything that the Iraq invasion brings or has brought forth is the responsiblity of the Bush administration, good or bad?
                            The Bush adminstration are heroes for defying the international left wing group of terrorist supporters, and brought along the good liberation of Iraq. There were some mistakes, but it was a good thing to do.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #149
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Giancarlo


                                The Bush adminstration are heroes for defying the international left wing group of terrorist supporters, and brought along the good liberation of Iraq. There were some mistakes, but it was a good thing to do.
                                Why are you avoiding? Please answer my question.

                                Is the Bush administration responsible for everything the Iraq invasion brings or has brought forth?
                                "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                                - Lone Star

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