SNESA 8: Ironclad

[SKILORD]

sirry Easthaven, i hadn't caught that.

Arrows don't have bombing capability tho, sorry.

[Easthaven I]

Oh, ok. Well than regular bombers

[Jonny]

OOC: Why would Canada support the South American rebels, since Canada is communist, but the rebels are fascist? (And fascists and communists generally hate each other?)

[Jonny]

France-Diplomacy

France to US (secret): We are sending you monetary aid.

France to Italy, Germany, Poland, and Russia: We propose the formation of a "Greater European Free-Trade Zone" to improve our economies and to heal the rift between communist and capitalist.
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France- Domestic Affairs

- The raids on terror cells in Chile and Bolivia were successful. Terrorists were caught, and are being returned to France for trial. French soldiers are returning to French territory. Many armed forces are moving north to the border with the so-called "Rebel Republic," which the French government refuses to recognize.
- Elections are to be held next year. Support for De Gaulle's Democratic-Republic party plummeted as De Gaulle accidentaly almost started a war with Poland, and because NATO in general is weakening. Early polls show that Jean-Paul d'Avignon, a Socialist, is on track to win the presidential election.
- All upgrades continue on time.
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France- Statistics (1964)
Large Army (upgrading to huge in 1 years)
Medium Navy (upgrading to large in 4 years)
Medium Airforce (upgrading to large in 2 years)
Small Nukes
Govt: Democracy
President: Charles de Gaulle (Jonny)
Tech Level: Early Modern
MPP's: NATO
War: none

[Sheep]

To the people of the world.

We have been faced by the agressions of the dictatorships of the Warsaw pact for too long. The people of the world deserved better than this but after being ignored for so long by those power, the American people will make themselves heard. It as consquense that I am issuing this one year deadline.

All Communist forces are to leave the North American continent including Canada within the year. If this is not acheived deployment of the device, codenamed Doomsday will occur. This will effectively rip apart the world's crust.

As a warning to this event the US government has neutralised Poland's nuclear weapons with use of high atmospheroic bursts. And the city of Lodz has been destroyed by a nuclear warhead. All electronics in that nation now have ceased to work. Futher provocations will result in the elimination of Warsaw, then Moscow. We assure you we are willing to pay any price for our freedom.

The people of the Unied States will continue to resist the forces of the evil empire as long as it is possible than thrawt them in destoying themesleves before our ultimate defeat is among us.

United States Stats (1964)
Imperial Army (upgrading in 3 years)
Imperial Navy (Imperial Subs included)
Imperial Air Force (upgrading in 2 years)
Strategic Space Forces: Largest in the world. All Soviet Space tech has been destroyed in 1958
Economy: Stable
Gigantic Nukes
Government: federal Republic (constitution suspended by presidential decree due to Communist invasions)
President: Dwight D. Eisenhower
Commander in Chief: General Douglas MacAuthur
NB: Doomsday Device under countdown.
Tech Level: Mid Modern
MPP: NATO
War: Warsaw Alliance of Evil

[GeneralTacticus]

Reality Police:

Sheep, you've gone completely off the deep end. There's no way in hell that you could have done any of what you lcima you just have, particularly while you were being invaded and losing.

[GeneralTacticus]

Germany - Diplomacy:

To USA: We are no friends of communist dictators, however, even we must recognise that your recent actions pose an unnacceptable threat to human survival. If you do not desist, then we must join the communist position toward you.

OOC: IF we decide to just ignore Sheep's 'doomsday weapon', then igore that bit.

To USSR: We recently caught a KGB agent putting up communist posters in a public area. While few in Germany take such things seriously, and thus we will not take any action, we ask that in future your agents obey German law by paying for space in our media, either to the corporatons that own them or the government, depending on what kind of propaganda is in question.

To India (public): We thank you for you generosity in allowing free trade, and will lower our own (low) tarrif barriers to you over the next two years.

To India & the Warsaw Pact (secret): We suggest that the crisis over the former Japanese territories be resolved (at least for now) by the division of soveirgnty between the Japanese communists and India, or whatever government India wishes to put in place. the various Japanese territories outside Japan have no real connection to japan itself, being legacies from Japanese imperialism in the Pacific.

To India (secret): We advise you to accept the deal we have proposed, as the communists will never back down when they have achieved such worldwide momentum. The areas that you have occupied contain large amounts of natural resources, which will add substantially to our economies; we will have to be satisfied with that, at least for now. On the same topic, our oil companies report that they have found off the southern coast of eastern Timor; they have expressed much interest in assisting yu in developing it.

Another proposal in the area of commerce you may find interesting is an offer from Messerchmidt; they would like to sell you a number of models of their new Me-15 'Whirlwind' fighter. We will have it in production within a year, and it is believed to substantially outclass any comparable Warsaw Pact aircraft, though we may not be able to match them in numbers.

Finally, on the topic of the Middle East; we hope to be able to make a move in that area within the enxt few years, certainly by the end of the decade. Once our air and army reforms are complete, we will be able to crush the Gulf states; their militaries are still using pre-WWII technology.

To Italian Democrats (secret): We are prepared to send you funding and weaponry, as this does not violate the accord we signed with the Warsaw Pact, but only if you allow us to establish bases in southern Italy and Sicily. If all else fails, your leaders may take refuge within them from the communists, and we will then be able to evacuate to wherever you wish to go.

To Warsaw Pact (secret): We are prepared to assist you in your war in Italy by bombing Austrian troops and taking action against those of their positions that are within reach, but we ask that you pay us back by allowing us to annex Austria. The only reason it was ever an independant nation was ebcause of Bismark's political maneouvering; we see no reason to stop them from rejoinig their country because of the decisions of a leader who has been dead for more than half a century.

To France (public): Germany consents to your proposal for a European Free Trade Zone. We will welcome the opportunities that arise for economic growth.

Germany - Domestic Policy:

New elections have been held as planned, and Adenauer has finally lost power after 16 years as Chancellor. A new government based on the Social democratic Party has taken office.

The first acts of the new government have been to drastically reduce costs for health care and education, make higher education free, and to implement a broad program of social welfare. This has been largely funded by increased tax income from the economic recovery. The government has also been investing in a further expansion of industry, which should make the economy Booming in 5 years (less if more sources of revenue can be acquired).

Germany - Production:

The German aerospace company Messerschmidt has taken lucrative contract from the German government to produce a new jet fighter, the Me-15 'Whirlwind', which it has had in development for the past 3 years to replace the Phantom; it carries advanced electronic warfare equipment, and is designed to be able to outclass the latest version of the Arrow and most other fighter aircraft in development around the world. The German air force will be fully equipped with them quite soon, as aircraft factories switch gears as fast as they can. Due to security concerns, the German government has refused to reveal details of the design.

With free trade now open between Germany and France, German banks have now begun substantial investment in France, particularly in the tourist industry.

Finally, Germany has also begun a program to expand and modernise the navy, including the commissioning of two new nuclear supercarriers with a capacity of over 300 aircraft each.

Germany - Statistics (1964):

Small (Medium) Army (upgrades to proper Medium in 1 year)
Medium Navy (upgrading to Large in 5 years)
Small Air Force (upgrades to Medium in 1 year)
Medium Nukes
Space Program: Recently established, with the goal of placing commercial satellites in space and renting them to the media. Will be complete in 5 years.
Economy: Prosperous (grows to booming in 5 years)
(unlike the US, we aren't currently faced with a destructive war on our own soil, and we've been investing our money in profitable foreign enterprises rather than in building up a huge military)
Govt: Democracy
Leader: GeneralTacticus
Tech Level: Mid Modern
MPP's: India
War: None

[foolish_icarus]

India to Germany (SECRET):

That's what we have been maintaining. Japan itself, Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines are communist and we make no attempt to claim them. Malaysia and Indonesia (excluding Borneo) are the possessions of the old Japanese government (non communist) and are under the 'protection' of India.

We suggest we jointly develop the oil resources you have just recently found.

We don't have a lot of excess money, but we will buy some of your 'Whirlwind' planes over the next few years.

On the middle east: we suggest we begin within the next few years. We have been buying up large areas of disasociated areas in Iraq and Persia, they are still technically under private ownership so as not to enrage the governemnts too much. They are almost entriely dependant on us for advanced goods. You should follow the same strategy, there is no need for war when we are sucking them dry economically.

[Jack_www]

To United States:
We are willing to withdraw from the US, but Canada will remain communist. You are mad. Why do you wish to destroy the world because the people of Canada want to be communist??

[foolish_icarus]

India to the U.S.: (EXTREMELY SECRET) :

Seeing as how the communists, with or without nukes could utterly destroy us if they put all their efforts to it, we suggest you settle for you lands being returned and don't push any other points too much. Later on, once you've recovered, we can beat them using hard work and ingenuity, rather than war and bloodshed, and it will become apparent that our system is correct and superior.

[gooberboob]

((This is only if sheep's post counts. I'm ignoring all things that cannot even be done now, especially the disabling of my hidden nuclear weaponry.))

Poland invades Washington, and burns everything to the ground. No adult males are spared. Nuclear warheads have been launched at all major industrial areas from locations in Florida, killing approximately 40% of the American population, additionally, due to the United States' primary launch of nuclear weapons, the United Nations resolution is in effect, and ALL NATIONS are obligated to declare war on the United States.

((If Sheep's post does not count))

More Polish Troops leave the Continental U. S. conquested area, now only about 25% of the Polish army is occupying the land, (enough to stop any U.S. invasion without the United States withdrawing all forces from the Russian front). Poland's demands for total withdrawl are the following.

1. Payment of 3,000,000,000 rubles a year to All Warsaw Nations.
2. The United States is allowed 3 ICBMs
3. The United States is unable to aid NATO countries in any way.
4. The United States is not allowed any military force larger than medium.
5. The United States gives solid proof to the United Nations that their doomsday device exists.

If the U.S. does not comply, Poland will continue its offensive with it's Russian friends.

Poland asks that Germany help fund Warsaw's space exploration program, vowing equal participation rights.

Poland sends India token Gifts of Gold and Frankinsense... no mhyrr though, we don't know what the heck it is. Poland asks that India try to ease tensions between itself and the nation of China.

Polish Soldiers continue to occupy the former Italian penninsula, and have reported the capture of the pope, he will be released when the Catholic force pledges alliegance solely to the Communist rebels.

[GeneralTacticus]

Germany - Diplomacy:

To India (top secret): Good, hopefully the Warsaw PAct will accept, and we can defuse the crisis.

About the Timorese oil reserves - agreed. There is much profit potential there, and our oil companies have been fighting over the right to do development there. We have finally managed to assemble a consortium of three companies who will provide 75% of the equipment and capital required for development, and take 50% of the direct profits. Indirect profits are not covered.

On the 'Whirlwind' - We are glad to have found a buyer for it, even if not a particularly lucrative market. Our factories have largely finished retooling to build them, and we can supply as many as you want to buy.

Finally, over the Middle East - Our military buildup has reached a point at which we greatly outmatch the militaries of the Gulf States, but we cannot commit everything to the operation. Thus, we sugges that we begin our invasion in 1969, when, if all goes according to plan, our buildup should be complete and we will strike from Southern Italy (as we have asked the Italian Democrats for base sin return for funds). The only matter which needs to be resolved on the Middle East is how we divide it up - you made a proposition on it before, but we were, at the time, being invaded by the Warsaw Pact, and were forced to destroy it to prevent it from being captured by the Russians when they seized Berlin.

Anyway, we propose that the ME be divided up thus:

India keeps everything west of the Persian border, including Turkmenistan if you can keep it.

India also takes the oilfields of northern Iraq (OOC: I think they have oil there, if I'm wrong, ignore this bit /OOC), and the area of the Arabian Peninsula east of Quatar.

Germany takes Kuwait, Turkey, Southern Iraq and any other oilfields nearby, plus Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan of we can keep them.

Germany also takes Palestine (which will be turned into a Jewish state under German protection), Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.

The rest of the Middle east, is, we beleive, of little consequence; we can divide it up and hand it out to other states to reward them for co-operation, or we can just install a puppet government there to keep things orderly.

To Poland: We are willing to provide funds for your space program, on the condition that we are given sole control over the satellite aspect of it. You are free to carry on sending men to the mon, launching space probes, and so forth, but we're more interested in the commeercial aspect.

Germany - Production:

With the first stages of it's army and air force upgrades complete, Germany now moves on to the second and final stage. This will be complete in 5 years, or four assuming the economy upgrade completes on time.

The economy upgrade has also been accelerated by one year due to profits from devleopment of the Timor Gap oilfields.

With factories now retooled, Germany is producing the new 'Whirlwind' planes at quite a fast clip. The Air Force has bought enough of them to equip the entire fighter wing with them, and the remaining obsolete planes are up for sale.

German investment in France continues apace, now focussing on the financial system.

Finally, Germany is now following India's example and buying up land in the Middle East at various strategic points, along with larg esections of the Iraqi economy. German bankers have bribed Iraqi leaders to make this tax-free for the next five years. Germany should have near-total control over the Iraqi economy by the time it's own economy reaches Booming.

Germany - Statistics (1965):

Medium Army (upgrades to Large in 5 years)
Medium Navy (upgrading to Large in 4 years)
Medium Air Force (upgrades to Large in 5 years)
Medium Nukes
Space Program: Recently established, with the goal of placing commercial satellites in space and renting them to the media. Will be complete in 4 years.
Economy: Prosperous (grows to booming in 3 years)
Govt: Democracy
Leader: GeneralTacticus
Tech Level: Mid Modern
MPP's: India
War: None

[gooberboob]

Germany: We will allow you to launch satellites, but you will not have any monopoly over them.

Germany and India: We propose a three-way split in the oil resources in the middle east in the interest of international peace; if soviet wells dry up, all bets are off.

[GeneralTacticus]

To Poland: Very well, we will be satisfied with that.

OOC: goober, are you acting as if you knew about our secret negotiations, or would you have done this anyway?

[SKILORD]

Poland....

Your peace is a bit Carthegian, a bit reminiscent of Versailles, I reccomend this:


1. Payment of 1,500,000,000 rubles a year to All Warsaw Nations.
2. The United States is allowed 3 ICBMs
3. The United States terminates all current alliances, but may retain an MPP with the UK.
4. The United States is not allowed any military force larger than medium.
5. The United States gives solid proof to the United Nations that their doomsday device exists.
6. The United States allows a joint force to render their weapon innefective (Destroy it's links to controls)