'de Historibus Europae 1520-1721

[Henrik]

Ok thanks to Steve I can now present this zip It should work fine.

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Henrik/EuropaFinalVersion.zip

The link in the first post was also updated.

Now why did this problem have to surface upon release when I managed to zip all the playtest versions without causing any problems at all for my testers

[Darius871]

Ahem ahem...



If you want to fix this for anyone who loads in the future that's fine, but could you just email me the non-zipped files in the meantime so I can start the PBEM?

EDIT: Got to Steve on AIM, files sent.

[Henrik]

The current files wheren't even zipped by me Darius, are you sure that it's not something wrong with your zip program?

[Darius871]

I've played several PBEM turns lately from zipped savegames without a problem. Either there's something wrong with the zip above, or my WinZip is 'occasionally' working.

Anyway, if this problem's only happening for me, then I'd say leave as-is since Steve mailed me the files.

[conmcb25]

Has anyone else tried the new download?

Im just wondering if Darius is (as always) our only problem child?

[Mao]

Hey, just a question to those who've played the scenario already: How long does it take to transform terrain? I've been trying to transform the swamps in the Low Countries for a longass time now...and still nothing...anyone know about how long it'll take?

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Mao
Hey, just a question to those who've played the scenario already: How long does it take to transform terrain? I've been trying to transform the swamps in the Low Countries for a longass time now...and still nothing...anyone know about how long it'll take?

I dont know, changing woods to hills doesn't sem to take that long.

Henrik the designer would know.

[Mao]

That's irrigation only right? I'm using engineers...it's been well over like 100 years...

[Henrik]

You're going to have to try for a very long time if you want to use the "O"/transform command.
The program malfunctions if you set a terrain to transform to nothing, resulting in strange non terrain/resource tiles. So instead I've set all terrain to transform to itself when using that command. Sorry, atleast engineers still work twice as fast as settelrs
I thought I noted this in the readme? If not it'll definatly be added when I update the scenario.
In any event, if you actually look in the order menu rather than just press 'O' you'll see what you can transform to, which for the most of the time, is the same terrain you're allready standing on.

[Henrik]

My misstake, you're transforming swamps, non?

Base time for engineer transformation is set to 45.
Use teams of two engineers and it shouldn't take too long to turn it into grassland.

Draining swamps takes time you know

[Mao]

45 turns? It's definitely been much, much, long. It's 2444 now and I seem to remember doing this when it was 2200. (Yes, I'm bored, so I usually just end up consolidating my territories and pillaging the world until I get bored...)

[Henrik]

Hmmmm, how many engineers are you using?

[Mao]

I have about 8...

[Henrik]

More than two then (any number above two is irrelevent as the game only uses 2 at a time even if you order more...).

I'll have to look over the terrain transformation setting I suppose...
Could you try reducing it yourself to see if it makes any difference?

[Mao]

Reducing the engineer transform time in the rules? Do I just have to reload the game for the new rules to take effect? Or do I have to do something screwy like delevents from the saved game?