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  • Up to September 1943, a couple a more things...

    1. In April of 1943 there was the message about the B-17's and P-47s. I haven't found any P-47's are they in the scenario? If yes, I cannot find them, if no, I don't think they should be mentioned.

    2. Did you wait until April of 1943 for the B-17 to have it represent the B-17G version? Because B-17's were available the whole war, but the B-17G was definately the most famous and built in the most numbers.

    3. Despite the B-17 being the most famous bomber of the war for the Americans, the B-24 Liberator was the most numerous. It was actually the most numerous of any other four engine bomber in the war. It could also carry a bigger bombload, travel further, and take more punishment than the B-17, just an idea there. But with the B-24 you would most likely wait until the B-24J which wasn't really operational until early 1944.

    4. Just thought I would tell you there was a hell of a nice attack by the Japs on Hong Kong. They used Val's, ships, infantry, tanks and Zeros. I was very impressed.

    Right now in my game the Third Reich is wilting under the pressure, they haven't pushed at all into Russia, the only city they took was Odessa. Warsaw has changed hands between the two about 5 times though, it is all the way down to a 5 population, but I think the Russians might keep it the rest of the war. I have a foothold in France with Brest and St. Nazaire. I had Toulouse, but it got recaptured. I conquered all of South America after the Neutral Allies started demanding techs from me to keep me alive. Japan is very strong right now. I think they have the number 1 or number 2 military, with the British right there with them. Both of them have very impressive navies, but I've yet to see any British ground units.

    Pap

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    • I think it´s Trondheim, not Trondhiem

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      • And i also think there are far too many german bombers

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        • Originally posted by Pap1723
          Up to September 1943, a couple a more things...
          1. In April of 1943 there was the message about the B-17's and P-47s. I haven't found any P-47's are they in the scenario? If yes, I cannot find them, if no, I don't think they should be mentioned.
          I know, I just kept reference this as an indication of the varied planes used in the strategic bombing campaign.

          Originally posted by Pap1723 2. Did you wait until April of 1943 for the B-17 to have it represent the B-17G version? Because B-17's were available the whole war, but the B-17G was definately the most famous and built in the most numbers.
          The dawn of the strategic bombing campaign was april/may 1943, that is why I use this date...
          I could make a generic B17 and have the US use it throughout the war...

          Originally posted by Pap1723 3. Despite the B-17 being the most famous bomber of the war for the Americans, the B-24 Liberator was the most numerous. It was actually the most numerous of any other four engine bomber in the war. It could also carry a bigger bombload, travel further, and take more punishment than the B-17, just an idea there. But with the B-24 you would most likely wait until the B-24J which wasn't really operational until early 1944.
          Same reason I had to drop cool planes like the Mosquito, Fw190 and He111, if only CIV2 had enough slots!
          My multi-units scenario will solve this!

          Originally posted by Pap1723 4. Just thought I would tell you there was a hell of a nice attack by the Japs on Hong Kong. They used Val's, ships, infantry, tanks and Zeros. I was very impressed.
          I have seen some great actions around Formosa and Manila too! (not personally!)
          Pity the Germans are not quite as inspired!

          Originally posted by Pap1723 Right now in my game the Third Reich is wilting under the pressure, they haven't pushed at all into Russia, the only city they took was Odessa. Warsaw has changed hands between the two about 5 times though, it is all the way down to a 5 population, but I think the Russians might keep it the rest of the war. I have a foothold in France with Brest and St. Nazaire. I had Toulouse, but it got recaptured. I conquered all of South America after the Neutral Allies started demanding techs from me to keep me alive. Japan is very strong right now. I think they have the number 1 or number 2 military, with the British right there with them. Both of them have very impressive navies, but I've yet to see any British ground units.
          Pap
          I have made some changes, The superbattleship now as it's own tech, I think it unbalances things if it is brought in too early.

          There has been some changes in the events and rules too, the commandos and Brit ground units will make themselves felt now!

          Yes, the Japanese are damn good at fighting I notice!

          Do you think the Germans need beefing up a little?
          Extra units at the dawn of Barbarossa, perhaps?
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          • Originally posted by jim panse
            And i also think there are far too many german bombers
            So do the RAF!

            I have scaled back their initial attacks.
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            • Originally posted by jim panse
              I think it´s Trondheim, not Trondhiem
              Yep, That is fixed!
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              • Yeah, I think Germany should get some beefing up, but the problem is then when they are controlled by the human, they become too strong, you'll have to wait on Jim Panse's German report.

                Pap

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                • Perhaps you could do the following...

                  Depending on the amount of events space you have, when the Germans or Soviets, or whoever develop the tech for Tigers, B-17's, etc... you could give them all 1 or 2 of the new units.

                  Nemo did something similar in 2194 and it seemed to work well. Just an idea though.

                  Pap

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                  • Thanks a lot Palaiologos! The last two hours ive been at school!

                    Ill watch for my email now.
                    Deutscher Meister 2004: WERDER BREMEN

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                    • I am really stumped at this Barbarossa problem!

                      I want the German civ to attack on their turn, but I can't get it to happen!

                      What I have just now is that an events tech is given to the German civ, and this enables war.

                      But the war is declared instantly, and the USSR gets an unfair first strike!

                      Any ideas on how to get around this?
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                      • Thanks, Palaiologos it works!
                        @Curt: ... its strange but your second mail included a *.bat file again!

                        First remarks:

                        Where is the "Ruhrgebiet"? It was the heart of German Industry (as it still is). ImHo there should also be Danzig or Königsberg representing East-Prussia as well as one eastern german city like Leipzig or Dresden!
                        There are more French than german cities - thats sort of not-balanced I guess! Germany had a lot more big cities and industrial regions as far as I know!
                        Berlin could be dropped one step to the east to 121,29 so that Cologne (Ruhrgebiet) would be on 119, 31, Leipzig on 122, 32 and Königsberg on 122,26!

                        That was a look at the cities while other playtesters focused more on units and stuff - but thats well cause about this I don not know too much...

                        Greetings, Cifer
                        Deutscher Meister 2004: WERDER BREMEN

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                        • Curt I've been trying to come up with ways to get Barbarossa to work right and I can't think of a damn thing. But wait, I just thought of something...

                          Ok, on the turn you want Barbarossa, make a very weak British unit, right in the heart of Germany, then make an event UNITKILLED, then you have Germany and Soviets go to war. This is not a great solution, but it is the only thing I can think of.

                          @IF
                          TURN
                          turn=14
                          @THEN
                          CREATEUNIT
                          unit=
                          owner=British Allies
                          veteran=no
                          homecity=None
                          locations
                          119,29
                          120,28
                          121,29
                          120,32
                          endlocations
                          JUSTONCE
                          @ENDIF

                          @IF
                          UNITKILLED
                          unit=
                          attacker=Third Reich
                          defender=British Allies
                          @THEN
                          GIVETECHNOLOGY
                          receiver=Third Reich
                          technology=
                          JUSTONCE
                          @ENDIF

                          @IF
                          RECEIVEDTECHNOLOGY
                          technology=
                          receiver=Third Reich
                          @THEN
                          TEXT
                          GERMAN WAR MACHINE UNLEASHED IN THE EAST!
                          ^June 22, 1941 - Hitler sends more than three million German soldiers,
                          ^reinforced by half a million auxiliaries from Germany's allies, to attack the USSR.
                          ^This is the conflict of the dictators that will decide the world's future...
                          ^"All we have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotting edifice will collapse" - Adolf Hitler
                          ENDTEXT
                          MAKEAGGRESSION
                          who=Third Reich
                          whom=Soviet Union
                          PlayWaveFile
                          Extra8.wav
                          JUSTONCE
                          @ENDIF

                          That should work, but no garuntees, you'll have to count on the AI killing that unit because it is the whole trigger.

                          Pap

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                          • Originally posted by Cifer Almasy
                            Thanks, Palaiologos it works!
                            @Curt: ... its strange but your second mail included a *.bat file again!

                            First remarks:

                            Where is the "Ruhrgebiet"? It was the heart of German Industry (as it still is). ImHo there should also be Danzig or Königsberg representing East-Prussia as well as one eastern german city like Leipzig or Dresden!
                            There are more French than german cities - thats sort of not-balanced I guess! Germany had a lot more big cities and industrial regions as far as I know!
                            Berlin could be dropped one step to the east to 121,29 so that Cologne (Ruhrgebiet) would be on 119, 31, Leipzig on 122, 32 and Königsberg on 122,26!

                            That was a look at the cities while other playtesters focused more on units and stuff - but thats well cause about this I don not know too much...

                            Greetings, Cifer
                            I would love to fit in more cities, but the map prevents this without it looking too cluttered.

                            I can see about increasing the industrial output in Northern and Eastern German cities.
                            But the whole blocky look of CIV2 maps prevents nice city placement...

                            I will look into the possibilities of your new city arrangement though!
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                            • Originally posted by Pap1723
                              Curt I've been trying to come up with ways to get Barbarossa to work right and I can't think of a damn thing. But wait, I just thought of something...

                              Ok, on the turn you want Barbarossa, make a very weak British unit, right in the heart of Germany, then make an event UNITKILLED, then you have Germany and Soviets go to war. This is not a great solution, but it is the only thing I can think of.

                              @IF
                              TURN
                              turn=14
                              @THEN
                              CREATEUNIT
                              unit=
                              owner=British Allies
                              veteran=no
                              homecity=None
                              locations
                              119,29
                              120,28
                              121,29
                              120,32
                              endlocations
                              JUSTONCE
                              @ENDIF

                              @IF
                              UNITKILLED
                              unit=
                              attacker=Third Reich
                              defender=British Allies
                              @THEN
                              GIVETECHNOLOGY
                              receiver=Third Reich
                              technology=
                              JUSTONCE
                              @ENDIF

                              @IF
                              RECEIVEDTECHNOLOGY
                              technology=
                              receiver=Third Reich
                              @THEN
                              TEXT
                              GERMAN WAR MACHINE UNLEASHED IN THE EAST!
                              ^June 22, 1941 - Hitler sends more than three million German soldiers,
                              ^reinforced by half a million auxiliaries from Germany's allies, to attack the USSR.
                              ^This is the conflict of the dictators that will decide the world's future...
                              ^"All we have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotting edifice will collapse" - Adolf Hitler
                              ENDTEXT
                              MAKEAGGRESSION
                              who=Third Reich
                              whom=Soviet Union
                              PlayWaveFile
                              Extra8.wav
                              JUSTONCE
                              @ENDIF

                              That should work, but no garuntees, you'll have to count on the AI killing that unit because it is the whole trigger.

                              Pap
                              Sounds interesting!
                              Can any of you chaps try this out?

                              I am going to see if giving the Barbarossa tech (under the name of axis attack) to japan makes any difference to who gets to atatck.

                              There should be a 'sneakattack' as well as a 'makeaggression' trigger, methinks!
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                              • Originally posted by curtsibling


                                I would love to fit in more cities, but the map prevents this without it looking too cluttered.

                                I can see about increasing the industrial output in Northern and Eastern German cities.
                                But the whole blocky look of CIV2 maps prevents nice city placement...

                                I will look into the possibilities of your new city arrangement though!
                                Why not having regions on that map which are as full as possible with cities?
                                It would also show why Hitler wanted to conquer "LEBENSRAUM" in the east! its because in Germany there wasnt anymore.
                                Would just be realsitic!
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