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**Alexandr** · October 22, 2002, 16:28

> I need your suggestions on the civs

CIVS: Romans, Persians, Germanics, Slavs, Arabs.
Huns and other nations of such type - as Barbarians. Turks must be alone, I suppose...
[and how about Ros (Russians) in your scenario?]

> Any aid will be welcome.

I'll help you with great pleasure, if I can.

**Gaius** · October 22, 2002, 16:37

IMHO far too complex for Civ engine, maybe you should consider other games for that kind of scen.
(I can hear flamers behind my door)

**St Leo** · October 22, 2002, 18:46

IMHO far too complex for Civ engine, maybe you should consider other games for that kind of scen.

Like what? It would be an enormous undertaking in EU2 because of the different expectations in detail and events.

If you've designed a few civ2 scenarios, it should be possible in ToT with CSPL.

Are you planning to make the Roman Empire playable?

I suggest:
1) Romans
2) Persians
3) Arabs
4) Turks
5) Franks
6) Germans
7) Vikings
8) Barbs for Huns, Avars, Mongols, and Slavs

**Gaius** · October 23, 2002, 05:54

enormous...i dont know, but careless to differences it could represent it more properly. Diplomacy and proper alliances-vassalizations. Economy is more different, but anyway leading b4 civ2...
With CSPL, yes, but awfully little action can be seen at that front

**Heresson** · October 23, 2002, 09:11

Again I emphasise; Alans weren't Germanic though they were considered to be them.

My propositions;

1)Romans
2)Persians
3)Slavs (or Bulgarians)
4)All barbarian civs of the west
5)Turks
6)Arabs
7)?

but my most important point is that to propose civs for your scn, we must know the map You're going to use.

**Jacobite1688** · October 23, 2002, 22:05

An interesting concept. It could be pulled off, but you will have to give playablilty the nod over historical factors. ( As it should be in all scens. )

**Heresson** · October 25, 2002, 10:10

Originally posted by Jacobite1688
An interesting concept. It could be pulled off, but you will have to give playablilty the nod over historical factors. ( As it should be in all scens. )

I agree with the first sentence, but not with the other one. I see your point, but then the difference between historical and fictional scns would be only theoretical.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 12:08

I am currently reading Osprey's titles about the Roman soldier of the various time periods. Tommorow (hopefully) i shall purchase Gibbon's " Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" which i plan to finish in a month(maybe less).

I plan to make the Roman Empire as the only playable civ. Since a good player will naturally use the Legions to conquer the rest of the world, i plan to have events simulate the colapse of the West. Plus no garrisons in most cities.

The ideal civs selection is 1)Romans 2)Arabs 3)Persians 4)Germanics 5)Franks 6)Turkics 7)Slavs 8)Mongols.

However only seven are allowed.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 12:14

About the map: I have never used another's map in one of my scenario's so i will propably design this one too myself. However if one can provide an ACCURATE map of the region i will have no problem using it.

Region: Western end will be Spain, Northern end England and Scandinavia(i don't know how much of Russia i will include) Southern end will be northern Egypt and Northern Africa. The Eastern end is another issue however. Will the whole Sassanid Empire be included and what about the Caucasus( Armenia etc..)?

Hopefully i will have the answers to these questions by the end of next week.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 12:34

About the Civs:

1)Romans. It will include both eastern and western Roman Empire. They may were administrationally divided but were politicaly more or less united.

2)Arabs. Jihad!!!Their rise to power in the 6th to 7th century AD grants them a unique place in the Roman Empire scenario.

3)Persians. The resurgent Persian Empire was the main opponent of the Eastern Empire for centuries.

4)Germanics. Alans, Goths, Vandals, Saxons all were detrimental in the fall of the Roman Empire.

5)Franks. The only reasons they will be included( if they are finally are) is to allow for a "European" civ to fill the gap of Rome in the West. Plus Germanics can't launch Crusades, while a generic Frankish civ can.

6)Turkics. Huns and Turks. They will be included as one since in the eyes of the civilized peoples they were the same tribes named differently. They both caused havoc.

7)Slavs. Rus, Bulgars , Serbs all wanted a piece of the Eastern Empire and occasionally invaded.

8)Mongols. The Golden horde despite the destruction it brought in the West was actually a devoted ally of the Eastern Empire.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 12:37

Most propably the Franks and Germans will be included as one civ.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 12:51

My progress thus far:
1)I plan to replace railroad with "villas". They will not be buildable and will only exist around urban areas in France and Britain.
2)I have found most of the trade routes of Britain cities.
3)Christianity tech will replace Communism. It will shaken the trust of the people in pagan temples(Cathedral)
4) Barracks=Scholae
according to "Roman Britain", a booklet that i purchased in Britain, the Romans called Bassilica their Courthouses. I thought it was the name of a Church style. Enlighten me more please.
5) Trade goods: olive oil, oysters, wool, corn iron, copper, tin, silver, gold, pottery, slaves, horses.
6)I would like to try to have the Legionaries of 150AD-300AD to have Settler ability(They built forts, roads, their retired veterans founded cities etc.). Comment please!.

**Palaiologos** · October 25, 2002, 13:36

I know what ToT is (Test of Time) but what about this CSPL?.

**Mercator** · October 25, 2002, 14:48

@ 4) I think this link covers it:
http://www.ku.edu/history/index/euro.../Basilica.html (in short: Roman basilicas served as courts of law and merchant/business meeting places. The Christian basilica is a church based on the model of a Roman basilica, so that was what you were thinking of).

As for your last post, you apparently don't have ToT, so CSPL would be of no interest for you... CSPL stands for Civilization Scenario Programming Library. It's a program which can tamper with ToT's memory, thus it is (in principle) able to do everything you'd be able to hexedit. Since it works on the game memory the changes take effect immediately, so you can think of CSPL as the ultimate event language. But CSPL is still a bit experimental...

edit: corrected link