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**Chris 62** · January 20, 2001, 15:02

I have a suggestion. In the last version you had ships named 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rate frigates. I think it would be better if they become sols(ship of the line). The british navy rated ships by the following fomula: more than 100 guns 1st rate; 80-100 guns 2nd rate; 64-80 guns 3rd rate; 32-50 guns(Frigates) 4th rate; 20-32 guns 5th rate ECT. Frigates were the equivelent of WW2 heavy cruisers and were designed as commerce raiders, not line of battle ships. The SOLs were the equivelent of WW2 battleships and were expected to do the most heavy fighting, as well as blockadeing harbors. Frigates also served as the eyes of fleets during the age of sail, and even the largest 4th rater could not stand up to a 3rd or higher rated ship.

**PolarisGL** · January 20, 2001, 16:19

Eeek, I forgot.

http://www.angelfire.com/games/griev/POLARISGIGAEUROPE.MP

It should download. If not I'll send it to you via e-mail. Its great. Large rivers are put on as small ocean squares and much more.

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**Shaka Naldur** · January 20, 2001, 17:01

polaris,

could you send me the map??
I tried to downloaded it but the url doesn´t work

**C0ckney** · January 20, 2001, 17:44

Yeah it doesn't work

so could you send it to me, Cockney9@hotmail.com

**C0ckney** · January 21, 2001, 07:48

cpoulos,

thanks for the suggestion about the navy, I'll keep that in mind

everyone,

I seem to have a little problem with Poland/Lithuainia, when the scenario starts (1792) large parts of that country are still independent from Prussia, Austria and Russia. If I keep it independent then the AI will probably not conquer it correctly (ie, Austria will get Warsaw and Prussia Crackow), but dividing it as it was in 1795 (in 1792) will not be historicaly accurate. Which do you think would be better?

**Chris 62** · January 21, 2001, 08:14

I would split them up between the three powers. The polish question was a major concern of the powers involved. If Austria, got to much of Poland, Prussia and Russia would certainly not take it lightly. The same if the others got it first. Sometimes to fit the Civ-2 game engine you have to make sacrifices to history and this would be one.
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**Chris 62** · January 21, 2001, 08:25

I forgot to add something: Part six of your scenario(Austerlitz and beyond) How about calling it Jena to Friedland, since the battle of Austerlitz was fought in december of 1805. Just a thought.

**C0ckney** · January 21, 2001, 08:56

*kicks himself about Australitz*

yes I may do that, I may also invest in a new history book

With reguard to Poland, I think I will leave a few cities free for some events, I'm thinking Warsaw, Lodz and Lublin can be barbarian and the powers can share them. Apart from that they can be divided between the three.

Thanks for all your advice

**BeBMan** · January 21, 2001, 08:58

Just a thought, is the seabattle at Trafalgar included? It would be nice to fight with a large fleet, but I know the AI isn´t a very good Admiral...

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**Chris 62** · January 21, 2001, 09:11

If you leave warsaw, how about this: when warsaw is conquered create unit Polish lancers for france, or polish uprising, with powerful one shot rebels to try to retake warsaw. Or make the lancers a tech that only france can have(something like no lancers for everyone else).

**C0ckney** · January 21, 2001, 09:17

It is something I would have liked to have done in 1.0 but couldn't due to lack of event space (instead I used the Nelson unit, which was a bit silly), in this version I want to have some big naval battles (the Nile and Trafalgar) but as you said I will have to see how the AI handles it.

Also in thsi version you will no longer by able to use ships to attack land units, I may add an amphibios (sp) unit which specialises in taking out costal cannons to make up for it

**C0ckney** · January 21, 2001, 12:31

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Originally posted by cpoulos on 01-21-2001 08:11 AM
If you leave warsaw, how about this: when warsaw is conquered create unit Polish lancers for france, or polish uprising, with powerful one shot rebels to try to retake warsaw. Or make the lancers a tech that only france can have(something like no lancers for everyone else).

In 1.0 Lancers were French only (using the revolution tech IIRC), I was thinking making Polish legion and/or Polish auxileries (sp?) units for the French available using the capture of warsaw etc. for the events. I'm not so sure about the Polish uprising, but thnaks for all your ideas and input, keep em' coming folks

**Mercator** · January 24, 2001, 09:34

This may be a bit off-topic here and maybe not so useful at all, but I just found this site: http://www.clockwk.com
It's a site dedicated to a historical atlas program ... The most interesting thing is, it features a free "Napoleonic Edition" which is a fully functional "demo" limited to the Napoleonic era in Europe. It might come in handy to anyone trying to make a Napoleonic scenario.

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