Starved-out cities

[Mercator]

I think HsFB is right there...

If the AI had a choice between irrigating one of those two however, it might follow the fertility values again in stead of the rules. That's just a hunch though.

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Hmmm. I'll have to test that with UrbCiv. Does anyone know of any other comprehensive terrain mods and how they went?

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by Mercator
I think HsFB is right there...

If the AI had a choice between irrigating one of those two however, it might follow the fertility values again in stead of the rules. That's just a hunch though.

nah, i doubt they'd go against the rules... they'd probably go for the first, either mine or irrigate, according to the ai govt value on rules...

will experiment a bit...

[N35t0r]

hmmm.... i modified the game so that glacier and mountain provide 9 food, and everything else provides 0 of everything....

the AI didn't build a city in an all-glacier continent, but it did in a grass tile with an adjacent glacier (which it tapped for food immediately, thus no starvation...)

it did also found a city on an all grass continent, which immediately died out due to starvation (no food source)

(note that the city square only adds one shield, never one food , if the city square doesn't produce each... thus un-shielded grass cities produce 1 shield, but mountain citied produce no food... not even 1 (with standard rules))

btw, the ai does specialists instead of placing unproducing workers on city tiles....

[Boco]

note that the city square only adds one shield, never one food , if the city square doesn't produce each... thus un-shielded grass cities produce 1 shield, but mountain citied produce no food... not even 1 (with standard rules)

In ToT, the city square bonus consists of the irrigated food value + 1 shield + 1 arrow

For ex,

;Name,      m, d,  f,s,t,   irr, f,#t,ai,   mine,s,#t, ai,xform,impassable 
@TERRAIN
Baadiyah,   2, 2,  0,0,0,   yes,10, 4, 0,   yes, 4,99,  0,  no,   yes, ; Drt

gives this

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Wow thats a lot of munchies.

[Boco]

Supercharged irrigation water out of the Elizabeth River.

[Henrik]

Originally posted by HsFB
(note that the city square only adds one shield, never one food , if the city square doesn't produce each... thus un-shielded grass cities produce 1 shield, but mountain citied produce no food... not even 1 (with standard rules))

The city square will add the amount of food that's given for the terrain if it's irrigated. If there's no irrigation value and the terrain normally doesnt give food, the city tile will not generate food.

(You can even insert a number here without allowing irrigation and still have cities generate that much food when built on the terrain).

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While we're on this topic, is there a way of delaying irrigation to the acquisition of a certain tech?

[Elok]

How about if you made irrigation give a bonus of 0, then let them research refrigeration? That's the only thing I can think of.

[N35t0r]

of course, then the 'irrigation' would be limited to an extra 50% food....


Boco, i knew it irrigated, but i didn't know it also gave the bonus if irrigate was set to no but a value was given... i speak of, for example, mountain cities 0 food, 1 shield, 1 trade....

[Boco]

The only catch I that I think I remember seeing is when you try to de-irrigate a terrain (Shift F8) that's set to no irrigation but with a nonzero bonus, ToT crashes. I believe that I had to change the @Terrain settings, make the change, and restore my desired @Terrain setting.

[N35t0r]

well, i have MGE so i wouldn't know... but i think it doesn't crash like that in MGE...

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I use plain vanilla CIV on the computer I'm at now, so I really wouldn't know then.