TSFE PBEM!

[jerkwaterbox]

sorry about that, my e-mail is jerkwaterbox@hotmail.com

[klesh]

On your mark...get set...

Okay,

Henrik, have those files worked out okay? What have you decided regarding the Diplomacy. Winston Churchill has contacted me with concerns as to if the diplomacy isn't allowed, the smaller nations may have no chance at all. But I dunno, this is how the game is built, and it might be a pain in the arse to have to make these changes every time. But maybe it is done already. If so, I believe we are ready to go! You should move first as the Axis with the settings we've discussed (prince difficulty level of course, thats about all for your settings). PC players must choose these selections in the batch program:


What difficulty?
2.Medium

What to do?
1.Start New Scenario

Please Choose Time?
1.May 1940

Please Choose Nation?
8. Multiplayer

Who Control Germany?
1.Germany Human Control


Thanks for the email Jerkwaterbox. Here is a list for our emailing needs:

Updated Players List:

• Axis-Henrik
  Jugoslavia-Jerwaterbox
  Minor Nations-WarVoid
  Spanish-Grothgar
  Allies-Sun Tzu
  Soviet Union- Field Marshal Klesh
  France-Scott F

And here is the final version of the map to be used. Added in are the Minor Nations' island off of Spain, and of course the USA and Canada 'city'. I hope players will update and use this as trhe game goes along. Makes things fun.

I am also working on a 'Secrect Project' for us players here. Keep on the look out in your emails once it is finished. Should be quite nice indeed.



-Vasily Kleshnikov
Marshal of the Soviet Union

[Dr. Nick]

I'm still here if anyone drops out!

*waves*

[Grothgar]

finnally i can post again. *sings halliluia* no idea why i couldnt before something to do with changing my email or some such. anyway i would like to thank FMK and JMarks for bringing my plight to the notice of the moderators and also to whoevere reactivated my account i give thanx. but anyway lets get this game rolling also diplomacy is a thorny subject in this but it might be good to have limited diplomacy between the minor players and some such but not between the major players. ie no axis soviet alliance to clear out europe

[Grothgar]

also for the map i will update it every time it is my turn and then i will give it to mr klesh for conversion into gif because i think im pretty good at making maps (not boasting) and alo i made them so their :P so i will update the maps on my turn and then pass them to klesh. give your assent to this or you will all suffer

[klesh]

Yes, let's get this moving...

Originally posted by Grothgar
ie no axis soviet alliance to clear out europe.

I cannot believe I hear such talk from a country whom we have gallantly been assisting in the struggle against Franco's hated Nationalists!!! The facists and the C.C.C.P. have an alliance merely out of convienience to our great state. We see no sign by the fascists they they are going to honor this treaty. It appears it is they who are bent on the destruction of the continent, not to mention Bolshevism. We shall band together with the likes of even the most ardent anti-communists such as Churchill to rid the world of the fascist.





"Our cause is just, the enemy will be smashed."


-Vasily Kleshnikov
Marshal of the Soviet Union

[Grothgar]

My apologies the ambassador to the SSSR has now been replaced. the old ambassador has been given to the russians for punnishment

[klesh]

Originally posted by Grothgar
My apologies the ambassador to the SSSR has now been replaced. the old ambassador has been given to the russians for punnishment

Very well then. The SMERSH officers shall make good use of him.


-Vasily Kleshnikov.
Marshal of the Soviet Union

[Henrik]

Why not?

As this scenario starts the Mollotov-Ribbentrop stands, now if I am the leader of a civ I can act as one, if I am predestined to be forced to attack my "buddies" the soviets at a certain turn, then it isn't going to be much of a chalange, the russians will be building up thier defences every turn untill the time has come and I will be preparing for barbarossa.
All very predictable, and all very dull.

I want to atleast be able to chose when (and in my opinion if) to break the treaty.
And the soviets should also free to do so at any time.
We are not replaying WW2, we are playing it, it should be allowed to develop differently.
What if my advance into france is halted by the allies?
I wouldnt attack russia in 1941 then would I?

Also everyone here seems concerened that the russians and I will divide europe between us, well so was everyone back then, nobody ran up to Hitler or Stalin saying, "You can't do that, it is against the rules!
You are supposed to be fighting."

Diplomacy should be let free, we dont force people to win certain fights just becouse we want them to do we?

If that is the case maybe you should find yourself another player for germany, becouse although I am interested in playing WW2 I am not interested in recreating it, playing every turn as close to history as possible...

[Grothgar]

good point but you could, if you were under attack make peace with the AI. sneaky and underhand i know but it is possible to do but hey i have no compunction to diplomacy or not. Lets get more feedback. I mean i would ally with everyone because im like that

*thinks that if he was commanding the axis he would be strolling through STALINGRAD by now*

[jerkwaterbox]

Playing as Yugoslavia, i think diplomacy should be open to keep me from being utterly crushed.

[isaac brock]

Well maybe it should be open to you, but they can't just remove Barbarossa from the game. Hitler would easily have won if he hadn't gone to russia so prematurely, and it has to be a challenge for him to win after his mistake. Knowing how WWII went, anyone can say "No. I won't go into Russia." but the hard part is going into russia without dying in misery.

[klesh]

Henrik has some very very good points y'all.

As this scenario starts the Mollotov-Ribbentrop stands, now if I am the leader of a civ I can act as one, if I am predestined to be forced to attack my "buddies" the soviets at a certain turn, then it isn't going to be much of a chalange, the russians will be building up thier defences every turn untill the time has come and I will be preparing for barbarossa.
All very predictable, and all very dull.

This has weight fells. I dont want this to be dull at all. I was first concieving of a 'play by history' type of WWII here. But that is lame...its not that way for other PBEMS, and i dont think it should be for this one either.

I want to at least be able to chose when (and in my opinion if) to break the treaty.
And the soviets should also free to do so at any time.

Yes, what is to say that I do not invade him whilst his armies are toiling in France? WHAT IF Stalin was the one to break the treay in real life?!? These things are what makes PBEMing a dynamic thing...free from the confines. Diplomacy is always key in these games.

I thik full diplomacy is the only thing that is going to possibly... 1)save France, Jugoslavia and Minor Nations holdings 2) Keep the Soviets from spending their time untill July '41 (read:14 turns!) preparing for the invasion the aren't supposed to know is comming. If I did that, Henrik wouln't get passed the frontier!


So here it is fellas: not to be a d*ick, but... I started this game, so I think I get to call the shots. I really think we need this Diplomacy or else this will lose alot of the fun dynamics of the PBEM style. If current players aren't down for this, let me know and we'll get a replacement toute-suite. I dont wanna crash the party or nothin. But thats how I wanna play this. Nothing is stopping a different non-diplomacy TSFE game from being played.

With this said...Henrik, make the changes and start your turn you silly Kraut. Players who wanna drop out let us know quick so we can replace your arse! New files will be posted by Henrik thatwill allow the Diplomacy to take place... and oh yeah, get those diplomats ready!!!!

The Struggle for Europe HAS begun!!!!





"Our cause is just, the enemy will be smashed."


-Vasily Kleshnikov
Marshal of the Soviet Union

[Scott F]

In 1940, France had the second largest army in Europe. Only the Red Army was larger. Yet in doing a trial run of this game in single player, I can't help but note that the Germans have more tanks (basically) than the French have infantry in Europe. Even if the French have mostly (crappy) infantry, they should still have lots and lots of (crappy) infantry. The fall of France was due to good German and bad French tactics, not because they were outnumbered or something like that. The size of the French Army--it even had more (mostly crappy) tanks than the Germans--made the fall of France that much more surprising.

[klesh]

Scattered Reports...

WAR!


07:39... Muskova time

Unconfirmed reports are flooding into the Kremlin regarding what appears to be a German invasion of the Low Countries...

One after another, we are hearing signs of a complete collapse of Allied resistance...

No word yet of how la Armé Française is reacting, whether they are engaging the Germans or not...

Nothing is clear at the moment, but it seems that War has broken out yet again on the continent of Europe...

We are expecting a statement by the German government as to exactly what they are up to. For now, all we can do is wait...

-Boris Ivanovski
Muskova Red Press