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  • #61
    Nah; we can keep the present thread title. 3rd Reich IS the best WWII game (by far), so there is no conflict between the two versions of the title.
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    • #62
      Yeah I got the faint impression you liked it.

      Say, have you played the other games people mentioned at the start, such as Close Combat and Combat Mission. I really like the latter.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by DrSpike
        Yeah I got the faint impression you liked it.


        Say, have you played the other games people mentioned at the start, such as Close Combat and Combat Mission. I really like the latter.
        Combat Mission, yes. Possibly the best tactical sim, ever. I happen to prefer Grand Strategy/Political, but as a game, CM deserves 5 Stars, definitely.

        TOAW was also mentioned, I think the problem with TOAW is it has too much micro-management. Itīs interesting, but, unlike 3rd Reich, itīs not elegant. One reason why I like 3rd Reich so much is the 3-month-turns, and low unit density. Itīs not micro-management hell at all, but itīs not beer-and-pretzel, either. Rather, it compresses everything important into minimum space, like a zip file. 3rd Reich should be compulsive study for game designers.

        Clash of Steel had some promise, but in the final analysis its weaknesses were greater than its strengths. For example, if you concentrated on Strategic Bombers and bombing the Oil Supply, you could totally immobilize the entire German Wehrmacht, including the Infantry. In contrast again, with 3rd Reich design a lot of thought went into keeping players from abusing the system.

        There are two new games available: Strategic Command and HoI. I didnīt buy either, SC is really over-simplistic and has some issues, such as using Subs against Capital Ships instead of Merchants, which is simply wrong. My impression is that SC is Axis&Allies with worse graphics.

        HoI is another story; I might get tempted, even though I think itīs not a good idea. Europa Universalis and WWII donīt mix. Also, there are probably a lot of paradox bugs , and Iīve heard Japan and Russia always go to war against each other. (Ahistorical events should be possible, but they shouldnīt happen all the time. As it is, itīs not possible to fight WWII without a major front in Siberia. ) All that said, Paradox Games are always interesting (even if sometimes in a weird way ), so I may yet buy HoI, despite my objections.

        Ceterum censeo: As good, realistic WWII Grand Strategy games go, 3rd Reich is as yet the only contender.
        Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

        Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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        • #64
          All this talk about 3rd reich got me thinking. I'm remembering that once up on a time a good friend of my got a almost finished beta of a game called Avalanche on the Amiga. It's a boardgame for the italian campaign. Or to be more exact I think the boardgame was just about one battle in the campaign while the computer game had the whole thing. For some reason I think it never got to a full game. Too bad as it was pretty fun.

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          • #65
            OK lets see if you think I've read the manuals yey. Third time around on easy, decisive allied victory. Italy and Germany fell in the same turn in winter 1943.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Kropotkin
              OK lets see if you think I've read the manuals yey. Third time around on easy, decisive allied victory. Italy and Germany fell in the same turn in winter 1943.
              Great! Now when will someone create a Pbem version of this classic, so we can play it over the internet? Or a PC conversion of Advanced Third Reich, which is even better than its predecessor?

              In other news: Curiosity got the better of me! Iīve ordered HoI and will give it a run, after Iīve finished my current game of 3R.
              Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

              Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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              • #67
                The Soviet Foreign Office is warning that a German attack on the motherland is to be expected within weeks. The warning is first dismissed as just another piece of British capitalist rumour mongering, but then the General Secretary decides to concentrate the Soviet forces in defensive positions behind the Dnieper, just in case. The Western districts are to be emptied of troops. If the Germans are really so reckless to attack the homeland of Socialism, they will strike thin air! You have to get up early, if you want to outsmart the General Secretary.
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                • #68
                  Are these from the same series as operation market garden?
                  Sure looks the same
                  Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                  Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                  • #69
                    No, itīs not from a series, itīs a standalone game. Avalon Hill Third Reich PC, patched and improved (though one or two bugs are still in).
                    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Qu...017/index.html
                    Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                    Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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                    • #70
                      it is from a board game by avalonhill

                      I have 1.3 first edition copies

                      I have thought about getting a 4th edition copy (I havbe heard it is much better)

                      Jon Miller
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                      • #71
                        downloaded

                        can't figure out how to insall right

                        Jon Miller
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                        • #72
                          The only think I don't like about Rise and Fall is that it concentrates exclusively on the European war. In my dreams World in Flames finally gets released with the same quality of AI

                          HoI is not a historical WW II simulator if you play from the 1936 scenario, nor is it yet perfectly balanced. Play from 1939 and who-does-what will be far more true to life. That said, Japan and Russia do not always (or even regularly) fight. Dunno where that came from.

                          What I like about HoI is that it is more freeform. In Rise and Fall there are too many things that get done the same way at the same time in every game because they are the "right" thing to do.
                          To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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                          • #73
                            After battle report:

                            Started out as usual. Germany taking Poland in an afternoon and all. The stupidos of Italy declared war also and as usual I beat the crap out of those 1-3's in Libya and got total control of Africa. That, besides a failed landing on Sicily was all that happend until 1943 on that front. When a angloamerican force took Sicily and also attacked the mainland with the result that the Italian govt collapsed in winter '43 as did the germans.

                            So came the attack against France. As it was going well in Africa I could focus all my efforts to this front. By depleting the french reserves in north africa (with the hope that my fleets could stop any axis attacks) I managed to stop the germans already at the border. First Denmark and the Holland fell by I managed to recapture Brussels through a well planned attack. Otherwise I worked on attrition trying to keep the Germans at bay and get a grip around Luxembourg that changed side almost every turn. At times the germans managed to reach the east banks of the Seine but never with sufficent force to strike against Paris. My control of africa as well as france and Belgium assured my of a high brp-production and the initiative.

                            Then came fall 1941. The soviet union could declare war against the axis and did so. Not that the soviets had much forces of quality. But in some ways quantity is a quality in itself. The germans had some crack infantry (3-3) in Poland but not enough to cover the entire front. Instead of picking a fight I used my 1-3's and the few tanks I had to blitz him, leaving his troops cut off and surrounded. The only thing that stopped me from attacking the all but undefended heartland of the reich at once was about half of the hungarian army on the west side of Wisla. I liberated Warsaw and pushed them aside to the german front. With that I turned to the minor axis. With 1942 the soviets got a bunch of new and good infantry witch would stop any possibilites from the germans to counterattack as those fresh troops soon joined the front on the east side of the Oder.

                            In Finland I raced with a number of armor units through the north and cut of all the finns. Helsingfors was within my grasp and not much stopped me. O.V. Kuusinen arrived from Moscow as their new leader.

                            In the south the brave inititive from the hungarians to stop my advance in the west lead to a gap between the hungarian units in their homeland and the rumanian defensive line. This I took full advantage off. While three armored units raced through the gap and against Bukarest three 3-3's landed on the coast while two airborne units joined the futher sout. The enitre rumanian army was trapped and in a heartbeat Rumania and then Bulgaria and Hungary was under the red flag. I could turn on the german heartland.

                            In the west the americans started to reinforce my lines futher but there was no good chance to go on the offensive until spring 1943. A italian force with a few german panzerunits had managed to get through my southern line and captured Marsielles. It took some time to push them away (reinforcements came at the front that was an advantage at first but soon became a problem as the stopped me from actually getting enough units to counterattack with). Then in 1943 the axis saw the imminent attack from the east and started to send back their forces. A gap came up in the ardennes.That was my chance. Amor raced trough and came on the germans from the back, cutting them off from supply. Soon all the germans managed to hold on to was the rocky regions in the south with a strong force but not much stopped the russian warmachine to take and hold Berlin. It was a piece of cake. The entire screen was filled with my units.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kropotkin
                              The entire screen was filled with my units.
                              Because you get a larger forcepool on easy.

                              [Sorry, can never resist a little oppportunity for sarcasm. ]
                              Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                              Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Jon Miller
                                I have 1.3 first edition copies

                                I have thought about getting a 4th edition copy (I havbe heard it is much better)

                                Jon Miller
                                It is, but get Advanced Third Reich instead. Itīs even STILL better.
                                Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                                Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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