All purpose Panzer General thread

[Grumbold]

The same goes for me - particularly when its the same battle you're replaying over and over. I prefer to win battles by changing the circumstances under which the enemies meet than whether I put my guns on one ridge or another.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


No, I have not. I have read that they are good games but I tend to get wary as soon as I read the words Real Time on the back a box.

they have morale, formations, facings, realistic weapons, etc. Dont recall supply rules - at least as realistic as PG2, I think. Reinforcements arrive as per history - no building units in barracks or whatever. Heavy historical research was done. Basically theyre realistic, Grand tactical level, war games. Just happen to be in real time. As much as I know of ACW tactics, theyre realistic - they are NOT Age of Empires for the ACW. (not sure about the Napoleonic versions, which i havent played, but its the same engine)

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
they have morale, formations, facings, realistic weapons, etc. Dont recall supply rules - at least as realistic as PG2, I think. Reinforcements arrive as per history - no building units in barracks or whatever. Heavy historical research was done. Basically theyre realistic, Grand tactical level, war games. Just happen to be in real time. As much as I know of ACW tactics, theyre realistic - they are NOT Age of Empires for the ACW. (not sure about the Napoleonic versions, which i havent played, but its the same engine)

Sounds worth a try, I suppose the LesserDogs house some of them.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Sounds worth a try, I suppose the LesserDogs house some of them.

At least in the US theyve been available until quite recently in jewel case - including SMG, SMA, and a bonus campaign, Sid Meiers South Mountain (the battles that lead up to Antietam) all for about $10 US, quite a bargain, Id say. Im sure this package is widely available online. The Napoleonics games are more recent and I still see them in bargain bins from time to time. And I think are still available on line.


Whats the retail picture for games like in France?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Whats the retail picture for games like in France?

Games grouped together are generally sold around 30€, jewell case single games (sold in DVD like boxes in France) are sold around 15€ though a few of them are 10€ only. Special operations can set the price as low as 5€ (this was the cost of Divided Ground and The Operational Art of War 2 when I bought them grouped together) when the shop or the distributors want to get rid off old stocks.

A package like the one you are writing about would certainly be sold around 15€ to 20€.

[CerberusIV]

I just finished the PG2 British campaign. Metz wasn't hard despite all the fortifications. Long range tank and AT fire followed by infantry attacks dealt with those around Metz. In the north artillery heavily damaged the defending infantry unit and I was able to push tanks in and destroy the supporting artillery. Some of the front line German infantry attacked across the river but I was able to get tanks behind them from the north, destroy their artillery unit and destroy the infantry. In the south a tac bomber and long range fire from a couple of Fireflys destroyed the Panther.

Both FW190Ds attacked artillery units covered by AD and were weakened enough for my Spitfires to destroy. In bringing up artillery to knock out the flak on the airfield the Tiger damaged a recon unit but my tanks again proved strong enough to kill it easily. By this stage all 5 had leaders as did both my tac bombers.

I did get a nasty shock when the Me262 turned up on the turn after I captured the airfield and the indicator said 6-2 in their favour if my fighters attacked. Fortunately I had enough artillery and ground units in range of the central VH to take it immediately with 3 turns to spare for a BV and avoid having to deal with the Messerschmitt.

That gained me a prototype Centurion tank and about 2500 prestige for Dessau. I bought a recon and spent most of the rest on overstrengthing absolutely everything.

At Dessau my northern group made easy progress to the airfield with small groups picking off all the small flags on the way. In the south it is tough at first and I used most of my aircraft here to help the ground units. After taking out the German 10.5's mopping up the rest proved fairly straightforward. The Do335 turned up and my best Spitfire (strength 12) shot it down in one attack - great stuff! The Me163 appeared next turn and the same Spitfire took that out in one go, being reduced to strength 7 but gaining a leader in the process. Then it rained for 3 consecutive turns. Quite useful as it turned out as the rest of the Luftwaffe could not attack and I was able to resupply and position all my ground units for their next attacks and reinforce the damaged Spitfire.

In the south the Germans had little left apart from some flak, easily taken out with artillery support and both VH's captured. In the north the King Tigers on the airfield gave a little trouble when the rain stopped and they spotted my units and attacked. My tanks took some damage but finished them off and artillery and airstrikes weakened the infantry left on the airfield enough to capture that. I then had a stroke of luck as the FW190 flew straight into a Spitfire I had parked next to the airfield to resupply and took 9 points damage and an AD finished it off next turn. A 7.2" gun and a tac bomber took out the fH18 next to Dessau and 2 artillery and an airstrike took out the Volkssturm on the VH next turn so my unit was able to walk in and take a final BV on the last turn.

Short but interesting to try something I was not familiar with, unlike the Blitz campaign. Overall a bit too easy with 5 BVs out of 6 scenarios - mainly due to the generous amounts of prestige available, a fault this shares with the British Western Europe campaign in AG.

Time to go and download something a little more challenging I think.

[pg]

i looked at some of those other games and the screen shots are a big turn off. i'm certainly going to try them but i hope those games which use symbols can be modded with better graphics or have an options to use graphics. i mean it's almost like some war games want there to be a learning curve. why can't they just all have unit graphics like pg?

maybe the 5 star series is just different than most war games and i really don't like war games afterall. pg is great where everything is easy to recognize and the info bar gives you everything in writing instead of pictures/etc which you have to memorize.

[Tamerlin]

pg, few PC wargames have units like the 5 stars serie games, the games from Talonsoft are displaying animated units a bit like the 5 stars games and Close Combat as most real time games also uses animations.

But you should not overlook Strategic Command because it is not graphically on par with most of the games we know, this is a wonderfull simple and yet entertaining game.

[lord of the mark]

IIRC TOAW gives you the choice of symbols or PG style images, though i dont think theyre animated. And im not sure it would be your cup of tea.


The wargame market is limited, and thus any given one will have limited sales - whats a disappointing sales figure for a FPS or RTS is a big hit in the wargame market. This means they cant afford the same resources. So it tends to be an issue of chrome versus gameplay and research, and most wargamers are willing to sacrifice chrome. The symbols are standard NATO symbols, which are used in many military histories and maps, and are familiar to many of us from board war game days.

Perhaps we should list wargames that are high in chrome??? I'd suggest Sid Meiers Gettysburg, if youre at all interested in the era. If you mainly are interested in WW2 then the Talonsoft games (the Campaign Series) and MS' Close Combat Series may be the way to go.

[Leonidas]

You guys might want to pass on SC2.

Believe it or not, from what I could find out, it will require sky-high computer system requirements.

Although it is a turn-based game, and the screenshots look similar to Civ II maps, it will require a mega machine to run.

So unless you have a fairly new computer, it will cost you mega bucks for an upgrade to run this game.

[Tamerlin]

This is what a moderator posted in the SC2 forum :

I guess this would be a question I need to answer

Ok, not sure how we got into astronomical spec numbers here, but the base system that I have been using for minimum requirement testing is a 500 Mhz CPU, with 16 MB Video Card and 128 MB of RAM, so anything around there should be fine.

Note: this is on Windows 9x/ME systems as 2000/XP systems require a little more than that by default... well XP does for sure!

Hope this helps,
Hubert

It seems that no one will have to change his computer in order to play SC2.

[pg]

heh, i don't value graphics at all. i've played many hours in rogue like games that just use ascii graphics. it's just wargames seem like they don't display information very well(PG does though imo). i'll report back after i play some other wargames(might be a few months though).

[lord of the mark]

OK, Im working my way through the blitz campaign, playing fair (IE 100 perstige)

Im stuck at Lillehammer/Sedan. I cant seem to win Sedan going in with just 1000 prestige, and I have trouble coming out of Lillerhammer with more than 1000 prestige and all core units intact.

Right now Im not so much focusing on a better Sedan strategy as a better Lillehammer one. I go into Lille with 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 bomber, one recon, and a whole bunch of armor.

The challenge at Lillerhammer is getting through the towns that block the way up each side of the fjord, so the one thing I DONT need is more armor, since that tend to get stuck on the road to the south, especially in the west. (another problem is that alot of my armor is PzIIIE, which are mainly good against hardtargets. I can upgrade them to IVD, but that takes a bunch of prestige points, depending on how many I upgrade). Ive tried adding two artillery units - to give a total of 3, one on the west side, and two on the east. Ive tried adding more air, but that gets frustrating when the weather goes bad. I had some good results with Fallschirm, using them against the artillery unit in the town east of the fjord. But I made the mistake of then sending them north, instead of east against the small town on the east edge of the map. Since they are moving by foot, they were essentially wasted.

Im thinking the best mix on the west side may be one armor, one infantry, and two artillery. Use everything else on the east side, including a fallschirm. Not sure if I have enought prestige - it might be worth reassigning one armor unit.

[Garth Vader]

Did you sell your original infantry?

I usually have 2 pionere, 3 SS, and 1 bridge. You will want the pionere for the west side. After you hit with 1-2 artillery the pionere should at least be able to force a retreat so you can go in with the tank and overrun.

I'll have to try that campaign again so I can make note of what I buy. I just finished running through the PeG version of the campaign which is a bit different!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Garth Vader
Did you sell your original infantry?

Dont remember.

Honey, I lost the infantry!!!!!