RPG's need an overhaul

[Jaguar]

Absolutely not. In those you go for interesting goals, whereas in RPG's people are like "oh boy, now I'm up to level 54 instead of level 53! Now 5 more hours of playing and I'll make, gasp, level 55!"

[The Mad Monk]

I've played an assortment of clix games -- MageKnight, MK Dungeons, MechWarrior, and HeroClix. I liked them all, though I forced my self to quit after I realized how much time they were taking up -- I was playing four times a week, and when I wasn't playing, I was planning, sorting, and practicing.

[self biased]

Originally posted by Jamski
Yeah I spent a fortune on those figures. Then they revised the rules, half the old figures were disallowed, and the new ones cost sooooooo much. Games Workshop are dirty little money grabbers.

-Jam

although i won't disagree with your statement about GW being dirty money grabbers, since when did they disalow old miniatures at Grand Tournament? true, it took a while for the land raider to get a resculpt, but it was well worth the wait, and much better than the old one.

as far as i know, the only games workshop/citadel/marauder miniatures that aren't allowed for use in golden demon, grand tournament, or rogue trader events are the Lord of the Rings minis, due to liscening issues provided by new line cinema.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
Absolutely not. In those you go for interesting goals, whereas in RPG's people are like "oh boy, now I'm up to level 54 instead of level 53! Now 5 more hours of playing and I'll make, gasp, level 55!"

You must be playing the wrong sort of RPGs.

[Jamski]

Absolutely not. In those you go for interesting goals, whereas in RPG's people are like "oh boy, now I'm up to level 54 instead of level 53! Now 5 more hours of playing and I'll make, gasp, level 55!"

I thought you wouldn't bite after FOUR :wink: smilies...

Anyway, the thing is that you play RPGs with OTHER PEOPLE and you play TBS on your own. Which is more dorky (bearing in mind most people here do/did/will do both)

Selfbiased : The minatures were never "illegal" sure... the trouble was that they would edit the allowed army lists, so that either you HAD to get new models to make your army work, or your old models were equipped with weapons they couldn't have access to any more, or they changed the size of a squad (bigger) and wouldn't let you buy any of the old minatures the other guys in the squad were. Or they completely reorganised the whole race/nation/army so you could forget about all your old figures (The Empire in Warhammer Fantasy? Imperial Guard in 40K?)

The new Land Raider sucks IMHO. I really liked the "World War One" look of the old model. But that's just my opinion as a man who once made his own scenery from household junk spray-painted in tones of dull gray. (Coke-cans + bendy straws = water/gas tanks)

-Jam

[self biased]

are you talking about the transition from rogue trader to second edition, or second to third?

and have you looked at the new guard codex? or seen the new cadian plastics? if anything they're relaxing restrictions on things to make things easier financially on players. instead of being strictly a ten man squad, marines come in 5-10 man squads

and as for 'having' to get new models, well... let's just say that i know a Squat player who religiously takes his well worn army to every GW competition he can, using the Guard rules.

and the old land raider desparately needed an update. the damn thing looked dated a month after its release. besides: my current project is to take a spare one i had laying around (as opposed to the three others i've got) and turn it into a VERY intimidating Leman Russ. it's not just about playing the game. it's a modeler's hobby.

[Jamski]

Look at my age The transiton from rogue trader is the one I'm bichin' about, but the one to the thrid edition was what convinced me to stop buying their products.

New guard codex... this is the point isn't is? You have to get a codex, instead of cutting a page out of the last White Dwarf

Ah, conversions were fun though. I recall building a Whirlwind from a Rhino chassis (what else?) using old bits and pieces. It looked OK, and the missile launcher turned. I bet there's a Whirlwind model now, and it looks really "cartoony"

-Jam

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You must be playing the wrong sort of RPGs.

All RPGs are the wrong sort of RPGs.


(Stop feeding the troll and he will leave )

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
All RPGs are the wrong sort of RPGs.


(Stop feeding the troll and he will leave )

Or I could just, hm...

/me looks at a red button

[Jaguar]

Troll will leave.

[Jamski]

I hope that wasn't the red button that keeps your pants closed

But this raises the point : Many people see RPG games as "uncool" compared to (for example) FPS games. Why is it "uncool" to be interested in a story and a character and interaction, instead of running through an industrail maze with a mini-gun? Also, I'd have thought that the current success and hype of LotR would lead many people to be interested in "standard fantasy settings" and the games associated with them. Instead the industry has spawned another "clone RTS" and 3 games that are basically FPS (First Person Swordplay) A well done RPG set in Middle Earth would have sold like hot cakes. And we all like hot cakes....

-Jam

[Jon Miller]

what RTS?

Jon Millwe

[Jamski]

The War of the Ring its called. I saw it in the shop at the weekend. It looks like Warcraft 3 or Dune Emperor.

-Jam

[Urban Ranger]

Bah.

[Jamski]

Bah?

You're disappointed they didn't use the licence better too?
You're disappointed that you can buy it in Germany?
I considered buying it, as it IS LotR stuff... but then I realised it would be a waste of my cash.

-Jam