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  • #31
    Rogan Josh - I haven't seen that in the book... Especially with the ending and all. I'll have to re-read it sometime with this perspective in mind.
    Does fit Heinlein more.
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    • #32
      I think that no one has mentioned that ultraortodox jews can get away from service. A hot potato as those that get away from this in many ways are the same nutjobs that wants a 'Greater Israel'.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Rogan Josh
        Are you guys kidding me?

        The book 'starship troopers' is not fascist - it is anti-fascist. Heinlein is pointing out how bad a society it is. He is warning about the dangers of nationalistic fascism and how easy it is to fall into when faced with an overwhelming enemy. Jeez, you guys are as bad as Ming!
        Maybe. But the society he describes is already like that before the "overwhelming enemy" attacks...
        "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind" - Gandhi

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        • #34
          Admitidly the movie kind of screws that up though....
          It does and does not. People here interpret that film as antifascist and have a clear image, which country the film describes.

          Maybe, it's because an European made the movie. Does not need to give many hints, to see, what's the topic of the movie.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Lazerus
            You gotta admit there are similarities
            The nazis compared Jews with Rats. Fortunately we are all much wiser today...
            Blah

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            • #36
              Precisely! The rats are really the Palestinians!
              Although cancerous growth does describe them better...
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              • #37
                (Remember, the Palestinians are like cancer! His Highness the Chief of Staff said so!)
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                • #38
                  And Camus compared the germans with rats. Popular animal those rats.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kropotkin
                    And Camus compared the germans with rats. Popular animal those rats.
                    Let´s hope those rats aren´t complaining for abusing their entire species for stupid comparisons.
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                    • #40
                      Or rather, the plauge is the germans and the plauge kills the rats... But, I guess comparing people with a plauge is not much better.

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                      • #41

                        The book 'starship troopers' is not fascist - it is anti-fascist. Heinlein is pointing out how bad a society it is. He is warning about the dangers of nationalistic fascism and how easy it is to fall into when faced with an overwhelming enemy.

                        I never understood what was wrong in nationalism, if the nation is the entire human race.


                        Jeez, you guys are as bad as Ming!

                        Get over it.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #42
                          A hot potato as those that get away from this in many ways are the same nutjobs that wants a 'Greater Israel'.

                          Huh?

                          Those who get away from service are nati-zionist ultra orthodox.

                          By describing settlers as ultra orthodox, CNN and the NYT are creating a huge mis-conception.

                          Right wingers and settlers are national religious. They aren't as zealous and don't wear black.

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                          • #43
                            Those who get away from service are nati-zionist ultra orthodox.


                            How do they do it? somebody tell me

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                              A hot potato as those that get away from this in many ways are the same nutjobs that wants a 'Greater Israel'.

                              Huh?

                              Those who get away from service are nati-zionist ultra orthodox.

                              By describing settlers as ultra orthodox, CNN and the NYT are creating a huge mis-conception.

                              Right wingers and settlers are national religious. They aren't as zealous and don't wear black.
                              hi ,

                              , and what about the " Haredi " then in the Nahal brigade , or the Haredi who clean up all the bits and pieces after a pigua , .....

                              not to mention how many there are that have tzit-tzit and a keple in olive drab , .....

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                              • #45
                                There is an unwritten agreement - a status quo that religious students don't get called to the army for as long as they are studying torah.

                                that was agreed upon in the early days of the state- - when there were 250 such people. Now they are several tens of thousands.

                                There was a law passed recently that exempts religious students from the army iirc. I voted for the party which promised to revoke it.

                                There is mass public outcry against this.

                                Btw, no all ultra orthodox don't serve. Some do infact.

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