25th Hour

[Pekka]

paiktis, that's what I mean.. foreigners think American film with bigger budget than $50 000 is Hollywood.. plus with known actors.. thought it might not be the case (being real hollywood movie).

I was telling about these two scenes only, so I wanted to make clear the movie is not about these two scenes and there's more to it, that I personally didn't find so strong, and that they are only part of the whole movie. And by saying that I wanted to make sure, that no one is expecting super art movie with weird colours and dialogue. And by this I don't mean to say smaller budget indie movies are always very much like weird art movies, or that art movies are bad.. I just wanted to make sure no one goes to see it and expects that, and then get disappointed.

[Az]

hollywood stands for unoriginal, 2 hour pop corn w@nkery

rather sad, considering it still makes the best movies in the world.

A big to Edward Norton. he rarely associates himself with crappy movies, so he has become sort of a quality flag for a movie.

Everyone one liked "Fight Club", and "America X", right?

[Bereta_Eder]

Pekka, I understand what you say.

BTW it happens; to have certain scenes stick to your memory filter and making quite an impression particularly to you and not so much to most others.
For some reason.

Azazel, it depends on how you define "best". There're plenty of things hollywood can never fulfill. And in some times it might be just ok for then and there.

[Pekka]

Yeah, they both were very good. Also Norton does awesome work in movie where he's young catholic(?) boy accused of murder. I don't want to give any spoilers if someone hasn't seen it, because it's awesome movie.

Well, Hollywood makes the best movies is matter of taste, but I think they are in general though (best that is). But then people tend to devide Hollywood movies into typical Hollywood movies and then not so typical Hollywood movies where they mean that typical Hollywood movie is done with huge budget, plot what you can figure out in the first 5 minutes, few 'surprises' you can see coming from miles away, lots of explosions and happy ending.. if you know what I mean. Good example is all those disaster movies. But then again it can be used as a compliment being typical Hollywood, meaning it's done with no expenses saved, looking good and being good entertainment that doesn't have to have any deep things in it. And not so typical Hollywood movie is usually compliment, meaning that it really is Hollywood movie, but it doesn't have massive explosions and special effects, but master acting and great script that makes you think and you leave the theatre silent.

[Bereta_Eder]

Yep it is as Pekka said more or less here.

Although the really stupid hollywood films (and they are many) we call them "Amerikanies" which means something like the "american ones/ american 'style/production/mindset'" with a bit of slang in it.


They concistently get 0 out of 10. (think Armagedon)

Which don't go for all movies american made movies of course. far from it.

[Pekka]

paiktis, we have that term too . Usually means constant flag waving and super patriotic stuff, cheesy and they are often very unrealistic too, in a way movie plots shouldn't be. You know the types where people starts yelling 'USA USA USA' and the one they're yelling at gets super powers and beats everyone and world is saved once again .

[Az]

They concistently get 0 out of 10. (think Armagedon)

As much as I hate Armageddon, There are very few movies that are done outside the USA that can match it.

Yeah, they both were very good. Also Norton does awesome work in movie where he's young catholic(?) boy accused of murder. I don't want to give any spoilers if someone hasn't seen it, because it's awesome movie.

A name of the movie is not considered a spoiler.

Also, compliments to Bruce Willis, and Brad Pitt, that have also proven to be top notch actors. 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, the Sixth Sense...

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
paiktis, we have that term too .

Amazing...! Considering that Finland and Greece are not so close... And thus we don't get to influence each others vocabulary....

Really amazing

[Pekka]

Azazel, I guess you haven't seen many 'foreign' films then?
If you mean special effects, sure, many don't come close, if you mean plot, acting, script.. well those are just matter of taste.

[Pekka]

And that Norton movie I recommend is called Primal Fear. It has Richard Gere in it, but don't be afraid, the movie is good and Norton is just awesome in it.

One of Nortons strong points is that he really really can adapt to different roles and be very different. Even his physique is different. In American History X he's very buffed up and muscular, and he does look scary. In Fight Club he is smaller (filmed after X movie), but still has good body, but is not that buffed up, and it's better for his role. Then again he can be like young boy with his body and acting. So I'd say he's very physical with his acting too, he can adapt like those weird jungle animals.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Pekka
And that Norton movie I recommend is called Primal Fear.

Read the book (It is sooo much better) and spare yourself the movie.

[Pekka]

paiktis, they make so many movies in the US all the time that you have to categorize them somehow .

[Pekka]

DD, Really? Is the book made after or before? Is it based on real story, or is it just good fiction, or just 'movie book'?

[Az]

No, I don't mean special effects. How much special effects did 'America X' have?

cheesy American Movies: One black, and one white dude save the day, from Aliens, presumably.
cheesy French movies: bore the crap out of me. People that have lots of issues talk a lot about sex.
German movies: same people, but they talk less, If you know what I mean.
Indian movies: I really can't figure out what's going on there.
Russian movies: Drunk policemen fight crime.

[Pekka]

Azazel, well that's just a matter of taste then.. as far is special effects goes, it's Hollywood that is greatest, hands down. But everything else can't be measured in a way we all would be satisfied .