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Russia wants Iraqi children to starve - because of oil
Originally posted by Frogger
Why should we give a to the US?
Beats me. Spiffor was the one that gave a Russia. Let's ask him.
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can we get a to US or would that be just too much to ask?
Give a to France for its insistance of lifting the sanction for years, and that should do the trick
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Originally posted by Frogger
Why should we give a to the US?
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Beats me. Spiffor was the one that gave a Russia. Let's ask him.
I gave a to Russia because sanctions are extremely bad, and should have been lifted years ago. They were somehow useful in containing Saddam, but were completely useless in having him changing his mind. It means the almost only victims of the sanctions were Iraqi civilians, and this terrible cost had nearly no gain, even from a cynical perspective.
Everybody who asks for the continuation of sanctions deserves a very big
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
Guess who's war ships have been the backbone to inforcing the embargo since its inception? Anwser: The U.S. and Britain. How effective will the embargo be if the U.S. & UK both decid not only to stop enforcing it but actively support Iraqi trade?
The Russians are in an untenable position on this one.
Oerdin, I agree. Ignore the Russians. And the next time they ask for anything from the West, tell them to get lost.
These are my feelings. Undoubtedly, Blair will talk to Bush and Chirac will talk to Putin. I agree with Spiffor that this idiocy of the Russians will be smoothed over and we will go back to the SC to lift the sanctions.
This is just more of Russia's small man syndrome. A large portion of their population still feels humiliated and blames the US for the old communist system imploding and the resulting crash of Russia's world influence.
I sure hope this idiocy will be smoothed over, I sure hope it is only a bluff to raise the Russian bargaining power, and I really really hope Chirac and Schröder will ask Putin to stop it.
But I'm sadly not sure it'll happen. Many idiocies from a country of the Peace Side have been supported by the others in order to keep it cohesive and solid. It isn't impossible that Germany and France will fall low enough as to support Russia on this one
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
Russia's position seems to be rather consistent. To bring closure to the matter of sanctions, someone has to officially report to the UN that Iraq has no WMDs.
I can understand outrage of the lefties -- they have always consistently been against the sanctions. But as for American hardliners... please, you have no high moral ground here whatsoever.
OTOH, it's not quite clear yet how seriously Russia is going to insist on this idea.
But as for American hardliners... please, you have no high moral ground here whatsoever.
I am not an american hardliner, but I can see the point. Saddam's regime is gone, and it constituted the risk to the other nations in the region. Now it's gone.
WMDs don't kill people, people with WMD kill people.
It's very consistent as far as Americans are concerned. We hated Saddam, and now he's gone. You all coddled him because Russia has a hard on for anybody that brutalizes his own people the way Stalin did, and now you're pissed because we beat him.
Originally posted by Felch X
You all coddled him because Russia has a hard on for anybody that brutalizes his own people the way Stalin did
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I can also see this point, Azazel. But someone has to officially report to the UN that Iraq is WMD-free. Don't you think so? After all, as Frogger indicated, some rogue (even m.b. terrorist) groups inside Iraq may come into possession of these WMDs if they ever existed.
to US or would that be just too much to ask?
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