I just finished reading a history book about the founding of Islam......

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Spiffor, I don't make distinctions between Arabs and other followers of the Islamic faith. But you do. Are you suggesting that only the Arab and Iranian fundamentalists are the problem?

You seem to ignore the very agressive attacks by Chechans fundamentalists, and isolated bands of lawless fundamentalist that haunt Central Asia, including East Turkestan, aka, Shinkiang Provence.

I also note that the entire world of Islam, not just the Arabs, were up in arms over our liberation of Iraq. They seemed to view our efforts as an attack on Islam by "crusaders." Even the American who fragged the 101st command in Kuwait did so in the name of Islam.

Remember not to forget the KLA and the Albanian terrorists. Strange how the Serbs are still the bad guys.

[Drake Tungsten]

Strange how the Serbs are still the bad guys.

It is strange. Why can't people just forget about genocide?

[Sava]

Especially when it never happened in the first place.

[Drake Tungsten]

Especially when it never happened in the first place.

Like the Holocaust?

[Sava]

Unfortunately for you, the UN reported that in Kosovo, no graves were found with more than 7 bodies. But go on living in your little dream world, watching FoxNews. You see, the difference between the Holocaust and Kosovo was:
A. The Holocaust Happened (big difference)
B. The Holocaust had millions of victims, survivors, and dead (surprisingly no evidence of genocide in Kosovo has ever been brought to light, short of anti-Serb rhetoric about Milosevic)
C. There were existing death camps and internment camps in Nazi Territory (sadly, no such camps exist anywhere in the Balkans)
D. I have been to Serbia (formerly Yugoslavia). I have seen Kosovo. It's not a big country. If there was genocide, surely there would be evidence.

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[Drake Tungsten]

When did I limit my critique of the Serbs to actions in Kosovo? The Serbs gained their reputation for being brutal thugs long before, in Bosnia. Want to disprove Serbian genocide there?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
When did I limit my critique of the Serbs to actions in Kosovo? The Serbs gained their reputation for being brutal thugs long before, in Bosnia. Want to disprove Serbian genocide there?

How about you show me one shred of proof. I'll be waiting. But I won't hold my breath. Oh by the way, how's the trial against Milosevic going? Not a shred of evidence? oh but wait, the Serbs are genocidal maniacs.

This is even dumber than your hatred of the French.

[Drake Tungsten]

Here's one conviction for genocide. I'm sure Slobo will get his soon...

In August, in the Tribunal's first verdict of genocide, General Radislav Krstic was convicted of participation in the planning and execution of mass killings after the fall of the UN protected area of Srebrenica in July 1995.

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/eur/bosnia-herzegovina!Open

[Sava]

Ahhh yes... certainly a rogue general reflects the attitudes of an entire people. This justifies your bigotry.

[Drake Tungsten]

This justifies your bigotry.

Bigotry? When did I ever claim to hate Serbs? I just happen to think (justifiably) that a large number of them were murderous pieces of ****. I hate Serbian killers, not the Serbian people...

[Sava]

I agree whole-heartedly that there were definitely individuals commiting irreprehensible acts against people in gross violations of human rights. But the Western Media has propagated this myth that all Serbs, or a great many of them, are "murderous piece of ****". And that simply isn't true. In fact, the instances of mass-murder were isolated... those acts didn't even represent the spirit of Serbs in the Yugoslav armed forces. My cousin Dragy was a soldier from 94-99. And from my perspective, you generalize all Serbs as murderers. Please stop that.
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[Ned]

Sava, Let's make a deal. I agree with you with respect to the Serbian war against Islamic radicals in Bosnia and Kosovo. You agree to move to the center polictically and even congratulate Bush on a job well done on Iraq.

[Ned]

Bebro, I wonder why the Arab assault on Sicily and Italy in the 800's is not well known? Regardless, it really puts a lie to the theory that the Arabs left Western Europe alone after 732.

Here's a bit from the link you posted:

"Syracuse was conquered only in 878. The Arabs massacred the whole population. The Greek language was replaced by the Arab. Christianity was replaced by the Islamism. The sword of the Islam dominated from Palermo new capital. Sicily was lost. "

A great city falls to the Islamic horde. Something similar almost happend to Rome. It did happen to Constantinople in 1453.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Stop trying to divert attention from the warlike nature of Islam. It never really has known an era of peace in its whole history.

Neither has any other major religion. Violence is the nature of organized religion.

Gsmoove -- President Bush declared Islam to be a peaceful religion. He has since repeated it many times.

Comparatively it is.

[Ned]

Imran, the Islamic world simply has to fundamentally agree to the simple proposition that spreading its religion through violence is unacceptable. It seems to me that a substantial portion, if not a majority, of Islam has not renounced violence.

The very concept of "martyr," universally used by Muslims worldwide to describe Iraq KIA, illustrates my point about the violent nature of Islam.