UN says Powell used forged uranium documents

[DanS]

Powell has thoroughly discredited himself and hasn't acted as a good counterweight for quite awhile it seems.

Powell has the highest approval rating of any in Bush's cabinet (even after the UN debacle) and Bush is thought to respect his advice above that of the hawks. But sometimes, State just isn't in a charge of an operation.

[gsmoove23]

You are relying on old information. Certainly Powell has the highest approval rating, he was a presidential hopeful before Bush, but I think he has lost alot of the respect he had fom the left. Bush either no longer relies on his advice as he once did or Powell's politics have changed in the last year.

[DanS]

You are relying on old information.

It's only about 2 weeks old.

[Drake Tungsten]

LOL@Drake

Blame the French for everything that's wrong with the world. Poor Powell...

Laugh it up. I don't think you'll find it so humorous in a few months when we really start to see the damage done to the trans-Atlantic relationship by the Iraq debate.

The French confirmed every negative stereotype that had been attributed to Europe and the UN by the unilateralist hawks. In the process, they've given the hawks much more leverage in future debates inside the Bush administration. This isn't a good turn of events for those of us who still believe in multilateralism and international institutions.

[gsmoove23]

Since you didn't give a link I can only rely on what is right in front of my face and has been for the last year. Abandoning Powell on his ME trip seemed to be the turning point.

[gsmoove23]

The French confirmed every negative stereotype that had been attributed to Europe and the UN by the unilateralist hawks.

...and vice versa.

[DanS]

gsmoove23: Here you are...

http://www.sunspot.net/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.powell11apr11,0,6557288.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines

[gsmoove23]

I said I agreed that his approval rating was high but questioned whether Powell is thought to be Bush's most trusted advisor still. I read the article I didn't see mention of him being more trusted then any others, in fact it seemed to suggest otherwise.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Yhe Uranium documents were supplied to the USA & UN by UK's MI6.
And this of thread troll is a flat lie.
"UN says Powell used forged uranium documents"
The UN has said no such thing, nor is there any serious contetion that the USA was the source.

[Hueij]

Laugh it up. I don't think you'll find it so humorous in a few months when we really start to see the damage done to the trans-Atlantic relationship by the Iraq debate.
The French confirmed every negative stereotype that had been attributed to Europe and the UN by the unilateralist hawks. In the process, they've given the hawks much more leverage in future debates inside the Bush administration. This isn't a good turn of events for those of us who still believe in multilateralism and international institutions.

So what you are saying is that the French, i.e. Europe, should abide by the US' every whim?

Over here the general opinion is that the US did everything it could to alienate itself from the rest of us. We have a feeling that you want to go alone and give the finger to the rest of the world. The ICBM treaty, the International Court Of Justice, the Kyoto Protocol, the anti personal landmine thing, frustrating talks between North and South Korea, and the list goes on and on...

In short, GO US! and f**k the rest. Maybe it's time to reconsider where our real interests lie...

[gsmoove23]

...and the FBI or CIA fell for em hook line and sinker even though the forgeries have been described as "childlike"... or they knew very well but thought when the **** hit the fan they would have already done their damage and they could always point to the fact that it came from another source. God I hope its the second one and our intelligence services aren't actually that lame.

[Drake Tungsten]

So what you are saying is that the French, i.e. Europe, should abide by the US' every whim?

No. France and Co. can disagree with the US all they want. They don't have to support the US if they don't agree. What they should not do, however, is provide active opposition to an important policy of the United States. Once you do that, you are no longer acting as an ally should.

Over here the general opinion is that the US did everything it could to alienate itself from the rest of us. We have a feeling that you want to go alone and give the finger to the rest of the world. The ICBM treaty, the International Court Of Justice, the Kyoto Protocol, the anti personal landmine thing, frustrating talks between North and South Korea, and the list goes on and on...

I'm well aware of the mood in the European press. Hopefully the anti-Americanism will recede in the future, but I'm not counting on it...

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

So what you are saying is that the French, i.e. Europe, should abide by the US' every whim?

No. France and Co. can disagree with the US all they want. They don't have to support the US if they don't agree. What they should not do, however, is provide active opposition to an important policy of the United States. Once you do that, you are no longer acting as an ally should.

Over here the general opinion is that the US did everything it could to alienate itself from the rest of us. We have a feeling that you want to go alone and give the finger to the rest of the world. The ICBM treaty, the International Court Of Justice, the Kyoto Protocol, the anti personal landmine thing, frustrating talks between North and South Korea, and the list goes on and on...

I'm well aware of the mood in the European press. Hopefully the anti-Americanism will recede in the future, but I'm not counting on it...

Huh? What you may consider important policy may be a lot of BS to us and vice versa. If you think that we blindly follow American policy, you better think again...

And the only way Anti-Americanism (which is not as bad as they try you to believe btw) will recede is when America acknowledges the fact that no one is waiting for a Pax Americana.

[Drake Tungsten]

Huh? What you may consider important policy may be a lot of BS to us and vice versa. If you think that we blindly follow American policy, you better think again...

If this is your attitude, then you are not an American ally. If you don't care about what the US feels is important, then don't bull**** and claim to be our friends. If you think that it is alright to actively oppose the US on something it feels is important, just because you think it's a "lot of BS", then you might as well just call off the alliance and save us all a lot of trouble.

[Ming]

Re: UN says Powell used forged uranium documents

Originally posted by realpolitic
This happened several days before the war

And so did all the many threads that were started on this topic.

Old news... old thread topic...