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**DinoDoc** · April 10, 2003, 01:29

Originally posted by Master Zen
Because you can't answer it without shooting yourself in the foot.

No, because it is irrelevent to my point. I fail to see why you keep harping on this point given that I had already stated that the tactics of terrorism are abhorent but that still doesn't change the fact that it is a form of warfare.

**Master Zen** · April 10, 2003, 01:31

Originally posted by DinoDoc
No, because it is irrelevent to my point. I fail to see why you keep harping on this point given that I had already stated that the tactics of terrorism are abhorent but that still doesn't change the fact that it is a form of warfare.

Well, then, I'll take that as a YES.

**DinoDoc** · April 10, 2003, 01:33

If it will keep you from annoying me further, please do.

**Master Zen** · April 10, 2003, 01:38

Originally posted by DinoDoc
If it will keep you from annoying me further, please do.

I will, this thread has lost all intellectual stimulation whatsoever...

**Ming** · April 10, 2003, 01:45

Good... since you both agree... time to get back on topic.

Who hasn't seen the videos of Iraqi dancing in the street, and them dragging the head of the statue around while everybody hit with their shoes

**gsmoove23** · April 10, 2003, 01:50

I just saw it again and I hadn't realized until the commentator mentioned it. Half of the guys in the crowd dragging the head are photographers. Its hilarious they highlighted 7 guys and it left only 10 Iraqis or so!

**Master Zen** · April 10, 2003, 02:14

I found it hilarious how some people just did whatever came to their minds to profane the statue. This one guy put a stick in the hole in Saddam's head, guess it was the first thing that came into his mind!

**MichaeltheGreat** · April 10, 2003, 02:38

Originally posted by Ming
Good... since you both agree... time to get back on topic.

Who hasn't seen the videos of Iraqi dancing in the street, and them dragging the head of the statue around while everybody hit with their shoes

I saw the videos of hungry, thirsty, pissed off Iraqis in Umm Qasr, Basra and Najaf *****ing out coalition troops about water supplies and general lawlessness.

Dancing in Baghdad is nice (of course, in another part of Baghdad, a Marine was KIAd by a sniper, but that's another story...

), but I prefer to finish a job before I get all mushy and celebrate.

It's like a guy building a house, telling his wife "Hey, honey, I bough a couple of bags of sack-crete and some two by fours. We'll have us a wall in no time, let's celebrate!"

**Ming** · April 10, 2003, 02:42

There is indeed a ton of work ahead. The fighting isn't over... but that's really not the hard part. The harder part will come when the fighting ends. I'm not sure how this is all going to come out... but I'm not really confident at this point.

We can only hope...

**Boris Godunov** · April 10, 2003, 06:15

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

Poor some ice water on it, commie.

I must object to this blatant smear. I have never been a communist, and most heartily reject communism.

**Spiffor** · April 10, 2003, 06:59

I wonder : do the American media show the images of a unanimous Iraqi population cheering the US army ? Most American posters here seem to forget a very significant chunk (a big majority ?) of Iraqis are more concerned with food and electricity than politics.

Sure, many people danced, especially among the Shias and Kurds, who were the biggest victims of the regime. But we shouldn't confuse these dancers whith the whole Iraqi people.

There is a peace to win, and this will be difficult. A sure thing is that we cannot imaging changing Iraq like the colonial powers wanted to "civilize" conquered countries in the past. I think a Garnett-led reconstruction would be dangerous, because it is up to the Iraqis to rebuild their political system, now that they have been freed from their tyrant.

**Ned** · April 10, 2003, 11:42

Spiffor, the Iraqi's will set up their own government. The only thing we are guaranteeing is that the new goverment will be 1) a government of the whole of Iraq; and 2) democratic.

The problem with turning this over to the UN is they do not guarantee 2.

**chequita guevara** · April 10, 2003, 11:49

Considering the half-assed job we're doing in Afganistan, we' can't guarantee 1 or 2.

**GePap** · April 10, 2003, 11:50

One thing has been overlooked really. Look at the pics. Baghdad is a city of 5 million people, that is bigger than Berlin is. Now, compare the size of the dancing crowd to that crowd at the Brandenburg gate when the wall came down...really, look at it.

In that plaza there was at most a couple of thousand people, not the throngs of cheering humanity we had in other examples.

Obviosuly that does not diminish the happyness for those there, but it does say that most people, even in that neighborhood, were elsewhere at the time. It is the people who were not there that we have to win over, not the ones there. They are the ones we can't afford to lose.

**chequita guevara** · April 10, 2003, 11:51

BTW, did anyone hear Rummy's excuse for why they may not find bio/chem weapnos? They may have been snuck out of the country.

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