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  • #16
    Oh, well, my first and foremost hope is that neoconservatism works. My dad is a Kurd. He wants freedom for his people and revenge for their deaths. Saddam's death sounds like a good start. Then democracy can come.
    Since when does the national security of the United States depend on the opinions of the heads of state of Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, and Guinea?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by itsagreenday
      What about those opposed to war in general? Shouldn't they hope for the defeat of the "agressors"?
      Yes, or else they obviously aren't opposed to war in general.
      "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

      Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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      • #18
        Because any environmentalist with any connection to reality knows that their protests mean nothing to Saddam, whereas at least in theory an "elected" leader like Bush would be at least marginally affected.
        "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
        -Joan Robinson

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        • #19
          To continue the trend:


          My first and foremost hope is that Saddam gets nailed with as few casualties as possible. My secondary hope is that we set up a democracy and then get the **** out of there.
          "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

          Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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          • #20
            Oh, well, my first and foremost hope is that neoconservatism works.
            Oh sh!t, what a hypocritical ideology.

            My dad is a Kurd. He wants freedom for his people and revenge for their deaths. Saddam's death sounds like a good start. Then democracy can come.
            As much as I hate Democracy, I sure hope that's the result since the alternative is another brutal dictatorship, but I'm not holding my breath. The Saudis and Turks sure don't want any Democracy to happen, so we'll see...

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            • #21
              Berzerker, how the **** is it hypocritical? If your answer is, why not Saudi Arabia, my answer is that I want to see them fall hard. But one regime at a time.
              Since when does the national security of the United States depend on the opinions of the heads of state of Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, and Guinea?

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              • #22
                Victor, but they're also not holding Saddam responsible, they're not condemning him, the Sierra Club is silent on the matter. What that says to me is that leftist politics are really more important to them than environmentalism.
                Since when does the national security of the United States depend on the opinions of the heads of state of Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, and Guinea?

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                • #23
                  Well, you say one regime at a time is not hypocritical, yet for the Sierra Club to focus on US politics before complaining about a dictator of a country that they have no members in somehow is hypocritical.

                  Regime change is needed badly in Washington and achieving that has potetial to benefit the environmentalist cause far more than regime change in Iraq.
                  "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                  -Joan Robinson

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                  • #24
                    Regime change is not needed in Washington. And I'll be laughing in November 2004 at how badly the Democrappic candidate gets beaten.

                    But about the Sierra club, they don't even say it's wrong. They're tree-hugging hypocrites if they say their first purpose is the defense of the environment. The thing is, most of them don't know jack **** about the environment or current news on it. One I met in Berkeley talked about how much of an environmentalist she was, and yet didn't know the head of the EPA. They're left wingers looking for something to make them cohesive (abortion, environment, immigration, etc.), which the left in America is anything but.
                    Since when does the national security of the United States depend on the opinions of the heads of state of Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, and Guinea?

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                    • #25
                      This guy sounds suspiciously like a Fez DL.
                      http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                      • #26
                        "Luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." - Chris Cornell, "Mindriot"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by itsagreenday
                          Oh, well, my first and foremost hope is that neoconservatism works. My dad is a Kurd. He wants freedom for his people and revenge for their deaths. Saddam's death sounds like a good start. Then democracy can come.
                          Yeah, I'm sure the Turks and Iranians will give Kurds independence after Saddam is removed. And of course, the United States, the great defender of democracy, will be leading the crusade for Kurdish independence. Just look at how the Kurds are being allowed to regain their homeland, well except for those areas that other people want.
                          Golfing since 67

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by monkspider
                            This guy sounds suspiciously like a Fez DL.
                            If I were a betting man I would say its Bods.
                            One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                            • #29
                              Bods doesn't need a DL to spout this rubbish
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                              • #30
                                He does when he is restricted. (although checking the members list shows he is not restricted).
                                One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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