Couple Guilty of Assault in Vegan Case

[Sava]

Consider yourself ignored until you can learn to not insult people.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Osweld


Vegetarian diets are completely balanced.

That depends entirely on the person's metabolism. For the most part, people can get by just fine without meat, but in some cases it could be harmful to them. I ran into a problem myself a number of years ago after I went vegetarian, because I was having a hard time getting enough Iron. I actually started passing out because of it, until I figured out what the problem was and started eating meat again. That type of diet just wasn't right for my physiology at the time.

In the case of a small child, that becomes even more of an issue because of all the cellular growth that's occurring then.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Willem


That depends entirely on the person's metabolism. For the most part, people can get by just fine without meat, but in some cases it could be harmful to them. I ran into a problem myself a number of years ago after I went vegetarian, because I was having a hard time getting enough Iron. I actually started passing out because of it, until I figured out what the problem was and started eating meat again. That type of diet just wasn't right for my physiology at the time.

In the case of a small child, that becomes even more of an issue because of all the cellular growth that's occurring then.

I agree, you have to watch what you eat with any diet, and especially on specialized diets. People going vegan should deffinately put alot of research and thought into their diet. Vegetarian diets, on the other hand, really aren't as demanding as some people like to think.

By the way, iron deficiency can easily be solved in a vegetarian diet - spinach, for example, is loaded with iron. There's nothing in meat that you can't get in vegtebles, grain, fruit, and dairy. The only thing that you can't get in both dairy and meat is, as I understand, vitamin B12, but I am a bit sceptical about that. (I still eat a bit of dairy, so it does not really matter to me anyways)

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Sava
Consider yourself ignored until you can learn to not insult people.

I'll consider that concete untill you can adress my arguments instead of crying and making up insults where they don't exist.

[Az]

love is in the air , everywhere I look around....

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Many experts agree that once early hominids began to hunt and eat animals, our mental evolution was catapulted in that massive brainpower was needed for us to hunt animals that could easily kill us. In other words, we wouldn't be what we are today if we stayed vegetarians.

This is certainly debateable, but my studies have led me to more or less believe this hypothesis.

Just something to think about...

[Willem]

Originally posted by Osweld
By the way, iron deficiency can easily be solved in a vegetarian diet - spinach, for example, is loaded with iron.

I tried a few different things, but I still couldn't get enough. Plus it occured to me that eating red meat would be much less of a hassle. Besides, I wasn't to crazy about Spinach.

The only thing that you can't get in both dairy and meat is, as I understand, vitamin B12, but I am a bit sceptical about that.

Engevita yeast is one of the best sources of B12 you'll ever find, and tastes great on salads and popcorn. Brewers yeast is a good source as well, but it tastes like crap unless it's in beer and then you lose most of the nutrients.

[Sava]

I'll consider that concete untill you can adress my arguments instead of crying and making up insults where they don't exist.

Sorry, but telling someone "to get a clue" is an insult and a personal attack. And I don't address arguments from people that can't debate in a civilized manner.

which is also why I probably wouldn't debate myself but that's beside the point

BTW, I never said it wasn't possible to have a balanced vegetarian diet. I said children need the protein found in meats. And forcing a child to be vegetarian is wrong. What happen when the kid goes to a friend's house and has a burger for the first time? The child will get sick. It's simply not healthy to not feed children meat. For an adult, being a vegetarian, if managed properly, can be very healthy.

[Az]

which is also why I probably wouldn't debate myself but that's beside the point

ROTFLMAO

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Sava

BTW, I never said it wasn't possible to have a balanced vegetarian diet. I said children need the protein found in meats.

No they don't, they just need protein. The protein found in vegtebles, grains, and fruit will do just fine.

And forcing a child to be vegetarian is wrong. What happen when the kid goes to a friend's house and has a burger for the first time? The child will get sick. It's simply not healthy to not feed children meat. For an adult, being a vegetarian, if managed properly, can be very healthy.

How do you propose it's done then, let the baby toddle around the supermarket and pick out what it wants? There is no reason to not raise a child on a vegetarian diet. And what is this about eating hamburgers? I thought we where talking about a vegetarian child here - he wouldn't eat it. (just like most kids won't eat their brocolli )

I could just as easily say "forcing a child to eat meat is wrong", anyways. That sort of statement has little value.


EDIT: By the way, "get a clue" is a suggestion.

[JohnT]

My child loves her broccoli - gets that from mom and dad. But she REALLY loves her chicken fingers, and today I found out that she has a natural affinity for Supreme Nachos from Rafferty's.

[MRT144]

chicken fingers are like international safe food for children

[JohnT]

Well, for Sophie they are a special treat as they are really too fattening to be regularly fed her. Usually she has 1 meat a day, a bunch of veggies and fruits, and (more than likely) some oatmeal for breakfast.

[MRT144]

what i meant was that no child can turn down chicken fingers. kudos on the great diet. i hope im half the father you are.

[Sava]

Ah, but Osweld, don't you think that some children won't be able to understand any possible benefits of a vegetarian diet? My cousin Amy, who is vegetarian, conceded that even though she believes a vegetarian diet is best, she wasn't completely confident that her daughter would grow up with the same values.

BTW, your points are fine... reread your original post... without the "get a clue remark" it was quite good.