Taking it a little too far

[LoneWolf]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I said nothing about arrogant. I did ask how practical your government is being in expecting my government to be unquestionably loyal in the face of paying unemployment insurance to victims of your governments quaint views on 'free' trade.

But, now that you mention it, I would say it is fairly arrogant to expect that no matter what sort of trade stick your government whacks my country with, we will be there for you, like a loyal poodle.

I have news for you. Canadians are not your poodles.

You don't seem to be following, so let me spell it out real slow like.

You are entitled to your opinion. So are the French. Its ok. I don't expect any loyalty, support, help, whatever. The French owe us nothing, the Canadians even less. You can think what you want. Its ok. Its entirely up to you. You don't need to "be there " for us.

That said, we don't need to "be there " for you. If Canada, France etc. wish ( entirely within their rights as sovereign free nations) to oppose us, wish to be our adversaries, why should they be shocked to find that we treat them as such?

[LoneWolf]

Oops, double.

[notyoueither]

How is not joining in on the ground being opposed?

Was Canada opposed to Vietnam?

Was the United States opposed to GB and the Commonwealth from '39 to '41?

[LoneWolf]

Originally posted by notyoueither
How is not joining in on the ground being opposed?

Was Canada opposed to Vietnam?
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Was the United States opposed to GB and the Commonwealth from '39 to '41?

As to the first question, yes, that's why our cowards went there. As to the second, shamefully yes, the Democrats were in charge then.

[notyoueither]

Well. I see that you exemplify the things that cause some people to mistake Americans for America.

Good going. Maybe some more Canadians will start to hate all things American after encountering more people like you.

[LoneWolf]

Sorry, skipped over the first question. There is really no question that the Canucks are opposed, is there?
As for the French, apparently only a bare majority actually even want us to win.
Is that not enough? OK, how about busily scurrying about the globe stirring up opposition to us when we were (foolishly) trying to get the Security Council to act?

[notyoueither]

Where do you get this information?

Nearly 50% of English Canadians favour supporting the United States openly. A large majority of Quebec does not.

And exactly where were Canadian diplomats scurrying about in opposition to your foreign policy?

[LoneWolf]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Well. I see that you exemplify the things that cause some people to mistake Americans for America.

Good going. Maybe some more Canadians will start to hate all things American after encountering more people like you.

Odd that you would think Americans don't represent America.
As for "hate", thats your word, not mine. I would not suggest we should hate Canadians or French, only see things as they are.

[LoneWolf]

No, not Canadians scurrying, French. Sorry I wasn't clear on that point.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by LoneWolf


Odd that you would think Americans don't represent America.
As for "hate", thats your word, not mine. I would not suggest we should hate Canadians or French, only see things as they are.

Does Che represent the values of the United States of America? Do you presume to speak for all Americans?

I would suggest you are in the midst of a frenzy and that many Americans such as yourself have entered a bunker mentality in the face of your government getting its diplomatic butt kicked by the French.

[LoneWolf]

I see no "frenzy" at all. Just normal people, going to work and living their lives.

I don't know what you mean by "bunker mentality".

Getting our butt diplomatically kicked by the French? Umm, okay.

[notyoueither]

So then, why are some Americans lashing out at countries who said simply, 'no, we will not go'?

[LoneWolf]

You think we should not acknowledge who our friends are, and who are not?

[notyoueither]

Can you not conceive that there may be very good reasons for a country such as Canada not getting involved in an action which is widely regarded as being aggressive?

We put a large number of our sons and daughters into blue helmets to make and keep peace. Their lives rely in great part on the perception around the world that Canadians are not the tools of any other power.

How do you think that would be effected by us blindly joining in whatever adventure was dreamt up in Washington?

All that being said, our navy is in the Gulf, and our army is in Afghanistan. There is not a lot more to send. There is not a lot more support for Canada to lend.

[LoneWolf]

I think at the start of this discussion, I made it clear that Canada, like any sovereign nation (yes, even the US!) can do what it wants.
But there are consequences to any act. We are willing and able to deal with the consequences of ours.
Are you?