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**Ted Striker** · April 3, 2003, 01:53

Hey that's a good role for you Asher.

You have an understanding of a wide variety of different technology and a practical sense of picking the best tool for the job.

ozz said punch cards on a 370. you like looking at that green screen huh ozz

**Asher** · April 3, 2003, 01:56

Originally posted by Ozz
No, Their are tradeoffs both ways, we've had American
programmersworking here too. Softwares costs are
directly related to quality of management.

How does this relate to the geopolitics of working in Canada?

The same "good/cheap" management team in Canada would cost even less under the US tax system.

Ted: That's what they thought too, hence the position.

My best (male) friend who is in most of my CS classes got a job at the same company (

) and is a tester.

**Ted Striker** · April 3, 2003, 01:59

Nice work man, good luck.

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · April 3, 2003, 23:24

Originally posted by Asher
Maybe we should adopt Six Thousand Year Old Man's suggestions, although I don't think he thought them through.

**Asher** · April 3, 2003, 23:39

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

You don't seem to get it. You seem to feel that the only way to express your support for the war is through Canada's government, which doesn't seem to agree with you. I offered you a couple of alternatives, which you declined. So sorry, but just because Asher likes the war, doesn't mean the country has to, too.

I thought my post through... evidently you didn't read it

This is quite sad.

1) I do express my support for the war (hello, what do you think this is)
2) I don't need to drop out of college and join the US army because I support the war. Any suggestion that I do so is absurd.
3) I don't need to send money to the US as donations tosupport the war. Any suggestion that I do so is absurd.

Canadians have have positions on the war even though we're not involved. I support the war, others do not.

I can't emphasize how absurd it is for you to tell people to support the war to send money to the US. We support the war, because we think Canada should go in too. If most Canadians don't think Canada should go in, of course we shouldn't.

But part of being in a democracy is people have different opinions. I believe in the war, others do not. I don't need to go flee the country because I believe in it.

What's wrong with you?

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · April 3, 2003, 23:47

Originally posted by Asher
I can't emphasize how absurd it is for you to tell people to support the war to send money to the US. We support the war, because we think Canada should go in too. If most Canadians don't think Canada should go in, of course we shouldn't.

But part of being in a democracy is people have different opinions. I believe in the war, others do not. I don't need to go flee the country because I believe in it.

What's wrong with you?

I simply offered you alternative ways to support the war, which you seem to have mischaracterized as being compulsory. Why are you so defensive? And why is it absurd for you to send money to the US to support the war? Bin Laden's worldwide supporters send him money. The IRA used to get a lot of donations from Irish Americans. What's the difference?

**Asher** · April 3, 2003, 23:49

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
And why is it absurd for you to send money to the US to support the war?

College. Student. Think about it.

**Ozz** · April 3, 2003, 23:53

Originally posted by Ted Striker ozz said punch cards on a 370. you like looking at that green screen huh ozz

Are you a fossil too?

Yup, I still use a green screen for that sort of work,
but that is what I started on. Thats before computers
were "cool". Nowadays they front end the green screen
with a GUI screen, same code behind it.

Mainly, I troubleshoot code problems that the younger
fellows get stuck on. Really don't care which language
it is anymore (except RPG, that is differient with the
cycle).

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · April 3, 2003, 23:57

Originally posted by Asher

College. Student. Think about it.

Then don't support it. But if you really wanted to, you could.

I wouldn't have dredged this up again from last night were it not because I felt my words were being twisted. So I'll just say that my original point (when I said 'volunteer', or 'enlist') was that there ARE ways for those who support the US war against Iraq to express them, rather simply venting their displeasure towards the government. Canada's government has done a lousy job at stating its position to the USA in a polite way, agreed. However, they do seem to be in line with the majority sentiment.

**Ozz** · April 3, 2003, 23:58

Originally posted by Asher

College. Student. Think about it.

I think you've changed my mind, yes I'll "support" the war effort by raising money to sent Asher to Iraq.

look out Saddam!!!

**Asher** · April 4, 2003, 00:01

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Then don't support it. But if you really wanted to, you could.

Why can't I support the war??

This is where you make absolutely no sense.

I support the war, but I can't actually be involved in the war. That is possible.

If people can be against the war in Canada, I can argue for the war.

Seriously man, what's with you?

I wouldn't have dredged this up again from last night were it not because I felt my words were being twisted. So I'll just say that my original point (when I said 'volunteer', or 'enlist') was that there ARE ways for those who support the US war against Iraq to express them, rather simply venting their displeasure towards the government.

1) My sexuality prohibits me from joining US forces to begin with
2) Canada's forces aren't in combat

That's beside the point, anyway.

I can support the war as someone not involved in the war. You'll find most people aren't involved in the war but have a position on it.

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · April 4, 2003, 00:09

Sorry. To me, the word 'support' involves actually DOING something. That's where the disconnect seems to be happening.

Maybe that's why I'm not impressed with the 'coalition'... after all, what exactly are most of those 40-odd nations doing...? Nada.

**notyoueither** · April 4, 2003, 01:47

I 'support' the war in so far as I think the US is doing the right thing, for them to be doing.

I have my doubts though as to whether Canada should put boots on the ground in Iraq this side of a peace to be kept.

Canada has an enourmous amount to lose if the perceptions of us around the world change from one of being an independant and fair, middle power, to that of an extention of the US.

Many Canadians owe their lives to the perception of our military as 'the good guys' when ever we drop them into some hot, or not so hot zone to make or keep peace, wearing blue helmets.

Due to the heated nature of views on Iraq, I am not convinced it would be a good thing to commit Canadian soldiers to the fray. I do believe, however, that the Canadian government could state its preference for Saddam being gone more clearly. I don't think the Americans are upset by lacking another battalion of light infantry. More likely, I think they are feeling stung by a perception of being isolated among traditional allies.

It wouldn't hurt if government MPs would give the Anti-American crap a rest, either.

**muppet** · April 4, 2003, 06:53

Originally posted by Asher
I'm one of the people who realizes how absolutely REAL it is.

It is very real. I think it is a little short of a true emergency though.

There are reasons so many compsci students fly south.

Lack of employment opportunities up north? So what good does it do Canada if they stayed and hopped on welfare?

Ottawa doesn't care, Asian immigrants take our position when we leave.

Alternatively, if YOU didn't leave your job for them, OTHERS would go south for a job. Either way, your job is filled.

Ottawa considers that okay, I think Ottawa should work on building up industries rather than barely sustaining.

Well. Their hands may be tied. What if someone started shouting "SUBSIDIZED!"?

But hey, I'm no politician.

Nor diplomat.

**muppet** · April 4, 2003, 07:08

Originally posted by Ned
I understand the Canadians gave a standing O when God Bless American was played during one of the two Canadian teams' home opener. I have also heard that there is a tremendous upswell of pro-US feelings since the war began.

Is this true?

Upswell... Downswell... Neither is true. What is true, that media is creating extreme divisions where none existed. The truth? Journalists should be part of a continuing education program that emphasizes journalism over sensationalism.

I am in contact with many of my American counterparts daily.
First of all, the barrage of apologies is embarassing.
Secondly, the barrage of criticizm is insulting.

Celluci ain't so bad, but diplomacy is failing.
Anything you say is either embarassing or insulting.
Just shut up, please.

Do not escalate this. Rumsfeld is not the answer:
anything he says is always both embarassing and insulting!

I remind you, the power switch is on our side of the border.

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