C# and its CLI stamped as ISO standard, Java left in dust

[Japher]

Agathon: a lot of companies operate that way. They do that to increase worker production in to make their nutrition rate seem lower than it really is. Common practice... generally, contractors do not leave unless they get greedy, then, when their contract is up, they can leave without any reperations.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
These guys were programmers.

Programmers (codemonkeys) or software engineers?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Japher
Agathon: a lot of companies operate that way. They do that to increase worker production in to make their nutrition rate seem lower than it really is. Common practice... generally, contractors do not leave unless they get greedy, then, when their contract is up, they can leave without any reperations.

Yeah I know. I'm not picking on MS over this, but Asher is looking for a job there. I'm quick prepared to pick on the evil empire for its other misdeeds though.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
Yeah I know. I'm not picking on MS over this, but Asher is looking for a job there. I'm quick prepared to pick on the evil empire for its other misdeeds though.

I'm not specifically looking for a job at MS.

They just pay really well, have great benefits, and happen to be one of the largest employers.

I'd be just as happy working for a smalltime company.

[Japher]

Oh... yeah, temp-to-hire and permatemps is one way to go. I know contractors here, where I work, that have been here for over a decade and would never join the company. The build up the companies dependency on them and then bagger/blackmale their bosses for raises... Two different worlds, same crappy job.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

Programmers (codemonkeys) or software engineers?

Don't know.

You're asking me to remember word for word something I read about 2 years ago. I do know that there was a court case in the early 90s. Anyway, I'm sure you are smart enough to know if you are getting shafted.

[raghar]

Originally posted by Asher
Here's a short summary of C# vs Java: http://www.networkmagazineindia.com/.../workshop1.htm

I think that person was C programmer and didn't do lots of programming in Java. I don't think that more OO than another is argument. Java has clearer syntax so you could cooperate with people with different experience, and YOU COULD DO code maintenance even after few years.

2 * TWO is converted to 2 * 2 by the preprocessor before compilation. This causes the compiled program to run faster as it does not have to look up the value of the constant during run-time.

This is in Java too. Java has preprocesor, it is just nonaccesible for programmer. This is nice thing.

Java jump statements are continue and break. return is for methods and goto isn't in Java now.

class D : B, C

This is really messy. Compare it with. D extends B implements C {}

each class needs to exist in a like-named file (with the like-named extension .java) there are exceptions with class visible and inner classes, as those are defined within another class's .java file.

I did some program. I compiled one source file and get 4 classes. Yes I had 2 inner classes, but there is no direct restriction for amount of ordinary classes in one source file. There is just rule that pulblic class shoud be declared in file with same name.

[Asher]

Originally posted by raghar
This is in Java too. Java has preprocesor, it is just nonaccesible for programmer. This is nice thing.

Having it as both is nicer.
If you have no need for it, you don't use it.
If you do, go for it...

I did some program. I compiled one source file and get 4 classes. Yes I had 2 inner classes, but there is no direct restriction for amount of ordinary classes in one source file. There is just rule that pulblic class shoud be declared in file with same name.

That's all it was saying.

I've always found it to be an incredibly annoying restriction, but I learned on C++.

[raghar]

Class A and Class B could be in file A.java with no problem.

If you need public Class A and public Class B then you could write simple "diffuser"

[Ted Striker]

Good riddance.

Java is the biggest resource hog EVER

[Urban Ranger]

ISO certification don't mean squat. Besides, it is not yet certified. Come back when it's the case.


Case closed.

[Harovan]

Geee, was it necessary to resurrect this thread?

raghar, can you tell me where this quote comes from (you used it):

2 * TWO is converted to 2 * 2 by the preprocessor before compilation. This causes the compiled program to run faster as it does not have to look up the value of the constant during run-time.

I ask, because it's utter nonsense. Any optimizing compiler using an explicit or implicit preprocessor (that's practically all I used in the past 10 years) wouldn't compile this like "2*2", but precompute 4 and load it in the appropriate register. For the i386 architecture, this would be for instance "mov eax, 4" and that's it. It makes absolutely no difference whether the code is "TWO * 2" or "2 * 2". "To lookup a constant" is crap, because it's, well, a constant, and can be used as immediate value. Otherwise it would be a variable.

Anyway, C# is a good thing and I will gladly use it, when one more condition is met:

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
ISO certification don't mean squat. Besides, it is not yet certified. Come back when it's the case.

Case closed.

It's in the formalization process and is going to be announced as a full ISO standard in a couple weeks.

And I would disagree that ISO certification doesn't mean squat. It means the people pissed off about MS possibly changing things on them to make their implementations incompatible now have to put up and shut up...

[Asher]

Sir Ralph:



I'd like everyone to note that in this very thread, I said:

Not to mention that most Unix developers are so anti-Microsoft that they would probably refuse to use a Microsoft technology even if it was significantly better and more open than Sun's technology.

And then Sir Ralph just came and said:

Anyway, C# is a good thing and I will gladly use it, when one more condition is met: (when hell freezes over)

Some people need to drop their "religion" and realize when some software is better than another, and use the appropriate one.

[raghar]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Geee, was it necessary to resurrect this thread?

raghar, can you tell me where this quote comes from (you used it):

I used Asher's link http://www.networkmagazineindia.com...1/workshop1.htm
Well I didn't see so much simplification and errors in long time ( with exception of Pentagon's briefings).

I look forward to this http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...1_abstract.htm
It looks interesting. Intel has much more resources than Sun.