Hate Crime Laws...

[Bereta_Eder]

I also dont see the reason for hate crime laws, but without refering to studies is hard to tell about their usefulness.

However these laws are ironic. They are supposed to protect the same way the people who want to be like everyone else but for doing that they underline their separativeness?


but without statistics, you cant tell.

[Bereta_Eder]

Uber, there was this tale that the Spartans threw "defective children" over a cliff... where they were killed.

But this is disputed now.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by paiktis22
However these laws are ironic. They are supposed to protect the same way the people who want to be like everyone else but for doing that they underline their separativeness?

all minorities want to be special. thats nothing new.

[Bereta_Eder]

the name of the cliff is Kaiadas.
still used in tales today.


however archeologists/historians say this was just a myth.


who knows.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Uber, there was this tale that the Spartans threw "defective children" over a cliff... where they were killed.

But this is disputed now.

well, i based that on a show i saw on The History Channel here in the states, but i'll take the word of a Greek over the word of Americans studying the Greeks

[Bereta_Eder]

Well about Kaiadas cliff, it is common knowledge in all of the country. Even the last villager knows about it

(Be that myth or true)

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Well about Kaiadas cliff, it is common knowledge in all of the country. Even the last villager knows about it

(Be that myth or true)

curious (and off topic, indeed): did the city-state structure of ancient greece have any effects on modern greece? socially? economically? genetically?

i'm assuming that enough greeks migrated around greece to overcome anything, but it would be interesting indeed.

[gsmoove23]

Why is the issue of hate crimes hijacked by people talking about homosexuality or minorities. It can be a crime done against a member of any group with the intent being to intimidate other members of that group. Its not intended to be a thought crime but a just punishment for mass intimidation. As for people trumping up charges, well they should take rape laws off the books too, and things like murder with intent, conspiracy charges...

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by UberKruX


curious (and off topic, indeed): did the city-state structure of ancient greece have any effects on modern greece? socially? economically? genetically?

i'm assuming that enough greeks migrated around greece to overcome anything, but it would be interesting indeed.

actually one of the prime reasons that led to the creation of city states still exists and contunues to influence greek life.

this is the geographical structure of the country which creates many virtually isolated to eachother spaces (and well protected), where people evolve in large by themselves.

so this exists still today, but of course the differences ine sociopolitical and economic evolvement is the echo of past times, modern transportations have created other parameters.

[Bereta_Eder]

uber, maybe u find this interesting: in a small tottaly secluded village in Karpathos, an island in SE Aegean, that is located on the top of Olympus (the largest mountain of that island) the people there (the few that remain) still speak ancient greek.

[Bereta_Eder]

the name of the village is Olympus too.

[FrustratedPoet]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hate Crime Laws...

Originally posted by Spectator
I dont ming gay guys, really, but dont grab my ass or tigh or you'll get your ass kicked. I dont call that a hate crime, I call that teaching manners.

I'm not homophobic because ... like ... I know a few gay people and stuff .... and like ... don't mind shaking their hands or nothin'. As long as they don't, like, try and stroke my ass or play with my balls or nothin' ... I mean ... that happens all the time ... I'm just such a goddamn gorgeous stud that those dudes can't keep their hands off me.

[Asher]

[Bereta_Eder]

minor threadjack,
of course the moral codes of the ancients would seem quite odd today anyway.

i.e. during some fights between city states, there was am agreement for wariors NOT to kill the other by hitting him in the face, so that he remained beautiful even in death for his lover (male that is)

[Gangerolf]

hate crime laws suck

punish people for what they do, but not for why they do it...