Hate Crime Laws...

[Zylka]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hate Crime Laws...

Originally posted by Spectator


Dude, I said MAYBE. Because I saw that be done to me or my friends by gay people more than once. I was just mentioning a point.
Hoe many times have I seen gay people come on to straight people even if they KNOW that that person is not gay. How annoying is that.
I dont ming gay guys, really, but dont grab my ass or tigh or you'll get your ass kicked. I dont call that a hate crime, I call that teaching manners.
I dont go around grabbing girls ass or whatever....and as soon as a gay guy gets hits for any reason he usualy turns it into:" OH! you fu**ing gay hater, I'll press charges against you...." and so on. I say shut up, you deserved it.
If you feel attacked by waht I just said you are probably one of those gay people, if you aren't I'd be glad to have you in my environment.

You see my point?

Spec.

Good God, tell me the above example isn't actually a case of labeled hate-crimes?

[red_jon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hate Crime Laws...

Originally posted by Spectator


Dude, I said MAYBE. Because I saw that be done to me or my friends by gay people more than once. I was just mentioning a point.
Hoe many times have I seen gay people come on to straight people even if they KNOW that that person is not gay. How annoying is that.
I dont ming gay guys, really, but dont grab my ass or tigh or you'll get your ass kicked. I dont call that a hate crime, I call that teaching manners.
I dont go around grabbing girls ass or whatever....and as soon as a gay guy gets hits for any reason he usualy turns it into:" OH! you fu**ing gay hater, I'll press charges against you...." and so on. I say shut up, you deserved it.
If you feel attacked by waht I just said you are probably one of those gay people, if you aren't I'd be glad to have you in my environment.

You see my point?

Spec.

The vast majority of gay guys do not go round sexually harassing straight men.

[TheStinger]

Hey kids calm down

[red_jon]

My support for Hate Crime laws is based on the fact that if someone attacks someone for being black, will they stop at just one black person? what would be the point? They are more likely to go for repeat offences.

[Spec]

Sometimes "hate-crime" start or are depicted this way because people start hating gays because of these kinds of actions. I mean that people start hating ALL gays for one stupid ass gay that does these kinds of things. That's why a gay that gets his ass kicked because of something like that is sometimes depicted as a case of "hate-crime" which is really not.

You get my drift?

Spec.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Hate Crime Laws...

Originally posted by red_jon
I'm only 18, not flamboyant and have been myself (though I never reported it).

Why not? You sure as hell aren't in the closet.

[Dauphin]

My support for Hate Crime laws is based on the fact that if someone attacks someone for being black, will they stop at just one black person? what would be the point? They are more likely to go for repeat offences.

Should attacking rich people be a hate crime? If a burglar targest rich households does that make it a hate crime?

And with regards your hate crime, were you attacked by someone you knew? If not, how did they know you were gay?

[red_jon]

Yeah, but I don't mean that every attack against a gay person is a hate crime - of course not. I'm talking about cases of an obvious hate crime - I know it is difficult to determine when it is but there are cases where the criminal admits to it being.
You also tend to find that genuine hate crime homicides are often incredibly brutal in nature.


I apologise for getting worked up in this thread. I do feel that Zylka is being out of line though ( though I'm sorry for what I said about people being justified in attacking you).

[Zylka]

Originally posted by red_jon

And I actually believed your lies when you pmed me to tell Mtg that you're not homophobic - you're a bigot, plain and simple (and to be honest I empathise with the guys who attacked you - you're personality is a lying, two-faced bigoted moron. Who wouldn't want to slug you in the mouth?

Nah... I actually have two LONG time friends who turned out to be Gay, work with a few others at a coffee shop and have a blast with them all the time, and generally love being immersed in the non-complaining aspects of the culture.

Some gays are just so tied up in indignant thought and irrational accusation that I have no problem calling them queers, or fagg0ts. Keep in mind those terms are not synonamous with being homosexual, just used to describe the few hyper liberal, schizo as*holes who have hijacked a huge portion of gay political culture as of late.

As by your definition you've called me a biggot, I guess I can call you by mine a faggg0t - you fagg0t.

Oh, I imagine you'd like to point out how hard my gay buddies must have it with a "friend" like me? The best friend (who is actually bi) knows well how I feel, and laughingly agrees. He'd probably have a much harsher name for you, but we're on an eye for an eye basis right now, as it seems. Care to raise the pile?

[Spec]

Originally posted by Zylka
Some gays are just so tied up in indignant thought and irrational accusation that I have no problem calling them queers, or fagg0ts. Keep in mind those terms are not synonamous with being homosexual, just used to describe the few hyper liberal, schizo as*holes who have hijacked a huge portion of gay political culture as of late.

Could not have said it better Zylka.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by red_jon

I apologise for getting worked up in this thread. I do feel that Zylka is being out of line though ( though I'm sorry for what I said about people being justified in attacking you).

Don't apologize. You meant, and still mean what you said - are you trying to avoid moderator action, or something? Don't worry, I don't take that as offending - just cute

[Bereta_Eder]

These laws may be creating the opposite result of what is wanted.

The definite cure is to educate society in such a way that these opinions don't exist anymore.

Even in ancient Athens, if you read Symposium by Plato, the opinion of the population towards this peculiarity was negative. Something that Plato critizes.
And of course In Sparta they were executed. (together with all people with deformities)

[Bereta_Eder]

at birth.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Zylka
Some gays are just so tied up in indignant thought and irrational accusation that I have no problem calling them queers, or fagg0ts. Keep in mind those terms are not synonamous with being homosexual, just used to describe the few hyper liberal, schizo as*holes who have hijacked a huge portion of gay political culture as of late.

this is how i see it, for all groups infact. slurs (racial, or whatever) always represent the extremes of a group, and by calling a person that, you are aligning them with the extreme (and usually unliked for some reason) section of the group.

are some whites honkeys? sure. are some gays fagg0ts? sure. are some black people ******s? sure.

but not everyone in a group is, and thats what ignorant people seem to miss.

as for hate crimes, i don't see the reason for harsher penalities myself. every crime is an act of hate, itsn't it? if i kill you because you raped my sister, it's because i hate what you did.

are you trying to say that hate like that can be justified, but hating you for who (or what you are) cannot?

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by paiktis22
These laws may be creating the opposite result of what is wanted.

The definite cure is to educate society in such a way that these opinions don't exist anymore.

Even in ancient Athens, if you read Symposium by Plato, the opinion of the population towards this peculiarity was negative. Something that Plato critizes.
And of course In Sparta they were executed. (together with all people with deformities)

god, i really loved the spartans.

from a paper i wrote:

Many centuries ago, the societies of the world were quite different than their current brethren. In the days of ancient Sparta, the elite of Spartan society (the Homoioi) would take all their infants immediately after birth, and inspect them to see if they had the “traits” most suited to be one of the warrior elite of the Spartans. If not, the babies were left in mountain caverns to die. Back then, it was commonplace, while today people would be morally outraged if anything of the sort had occurred nearby. Hypocrisy runs high in society though, as new-age science of eugenics rises. Eugenics is the process of fertilizing multiple female eggs with multiple male sperm, and then looking at the genetic makeup of the fertilized eggs. This is often used when families have a good chance for heredity diseases, because children can be chosen that have a less chance of inheriting it, or no chance what so ever. What people overlook is the “other”, “lesser” zygotes sitting under the microscope, the zygotes that “don’t make the cut”, and get thrown into the trash (or possibly stem cell research). One may easily compare modern eugenics to the Spartan “selection”, but far less people are outraged about it.