Women in the Military?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Lincoln


I guess quite a few women officers have a chip on their shoulders and they like to humilate the men under them if they do not bow in submission. The military is a perfect place for your typical bull-****. She has the full force of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) backing her when she pretends that she is a man.

So women have a monopoly on chicken**** officers?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Aren't there more men in the military?

Only because they haven't been kicked out yet.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Osweld


Only because they haven't been kicked out yet.

Except for the gays

[Pekka]

Osweld, that is one of my main points. It's like a hockey team. If the season starts to suck, you fire the coach. Why? Because you can change the coach, but you can't change the whole team .

Ok, I'm willing to change my opinion here. If and only IF there are women who can physically be equal with the men in the same job (talking about front line combatting), do everything at least as good, or as it states in the requirements AND the guys are willing to accept her/them as one of the guys in their group, then I have no problems what so ever. I will follow women or men, but only after they have met the same requirements we have. Or if their results where in mens level, mostly in physical challenges, then I think no less of her but accept her. Actually I have done that before, didn't hurt much . But every guy, or at least the vast majority must accept them too. Before that, I can't see any future in it. Because it comes down to winning and results. If many guys think less of them, it can effect on the coming results, and that's not good. Even if it would be a question if equality and all that, it must not have any effect on the results. It can not weaken down the groups, or it's morality, or trust. If some guys don't trust women leaders for example, then we can't have them, even if they are big headed guys like that. But if they accept and she has all the skills.. sure no problem, even to combat.

I just doubt this is the trend now. In some groups it could work, in some groups it won't. Maybe in pro army it could work, in army like we have, it won't work.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


So women have a monopoly on chicken**** officers?

No. Infact I was going to reinlist in the navy but a certain male officer and me did not get along too well. He expected me to qualify in submarines again when I came aboard his particular sub. That part was fine because it was a different class but he insisted on the humiliation part (if you know what I mean). I didn't play along with his game and we both provided the crew with hours of entertainment with bets on who would win the battle of wills. Well he won! After all this was the military. I left when my enlistment was up, pretty much because of him. But I think he was gay.

[cazzie]

Both of my cousins are in the armed forces. One male, a Navy Seal, and the other a female armed with a tank.

Just put it this way...I wouldn't want to upset either one of them.

[Pekka]

Plus with women there are always special rules. You just can't walk in, they might be naked. If it's the guys, I can walk right in no problem. If it's a woman leader, she can walk in to guys if they're naked. That's not equality.
They can use all the dirty language the want, but the guys have to be careful, so they won't bring out harrasment etc card up. Been there done that. It's ok to yell about mens private parts, but if you mention breasts and how they must not float on the table in the case of sitting straight.. well that's just talk that degrades women, thus punishable. And so on and so on.
Well these are not real problems of course, but they made my work hard because I like to talk with little humor and straight face, so it wouldn't be so boring and it would be remembered and not forgotten right away.
Why was it ok to say 'Don't move! Even your pubic hair won't grow!' loudly, but banned to say 'Don't move! Even your tits can't shake!'. Both are not to taken too seriously naturally, but other one is banned because it's sexual talk. Hmpff... they're both not, or both are.
It gets too PC after that. Again, not real problems but anyway.. it should mean real equality then.

[Pekka]

But again, this is not the fault of the women, but too PC officers who are afraid to get punished by some sexual harrasment panda thing. Let's face it, guys are the biggest problem.. but I guess that's the way it is.

[Lancer]

Lincoln, yup, well said. Of course all the guys who got stepped on because they are guys are mean as hell by now and taking it out on the Republican Guard...

I've heard from others that what you describe is a real problem. Poor troopers going to work and getting ragged by raving rampant ***** women officers out to prove themselves by abusing their authority and their subordinates...and if the trooper replys he's sexist. A career officer replys and his career is finished.

***** =Five star

[Lincoln]

The military is not supposed to be a social experiment. It is not an equal opportunity employer. The idea is to kill people and destroy things. This new wave of touchy-feely equality is a distraction to the mission.

[Pekka]

Lincoln, I agree with you 100%. It's in everything.. soon we all have some individualist armies, where everyone can lead and take turns, everyone gets to say what they think about the situation and how they feel about it. Punishments are forbidden and about every job can be degrading or not necessary, or does not have direct educational purpose. Everyone can be suing you or complaining, it's not a shame to complain, it's watching your rights! ARrrrrghh.. I can feel it coming already.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Lancer
...and if the trooper replys he's sexist. A career officer replys and his career is finished.

***** =Five star

That is pretty much my objection to the whole idea. There is a double standard now and a lot of resentment. Of course it works both ways with good women being harrassed by simple minded men but I don't understand why we need to weaken the military by playing these games. Good officers left by the droves during the Clintoon era. Now Bush ought to kick some ass and take some names!

[Alexander's Horse]

Men work for women in the civilian workforce. Why should the military be any different?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Lincoln


That is pretty much my objection to the whole idea. There is a double standard now and a lot of resentment. Of course it works both ways with good women being harrassed by simple minded men but I don't understand why we need to weaken the military by playing these games. Good officers left by the droves during the Clintoon era. Now Bush ought to kick some ass and take some names!

Yep, we should go back to the days when this was a Christian, white male military. We had much better forces then.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Lincoln

It is not an equal opportunity employer.

I think you'll find it is