Women in the Military?

[Lancer]

Ned, might it have been a case of don't ask, don't tell?

Or, as I say, 'don't ask for gawds sake, and I don't wanna friggin know, bud'.

Lipstick though...:sigh:.

[Pekka]

Lancer, Well they did sleep with the guys there, I mean some of them did. I think they are too much of distraction for the guys. I don't know if we had a pro army, maybe it would be little different then..

[RGBVideo]

Tuomen, and unless you point out what was it I said that you don't agree with, I'll take that as a troll.

Attitude problems? Tiredness? I, honestly, can't see any trolling there. Care to clarify? Or were I just an ass there?
Don't take it so seriously, maybe this smilie will cheer you up:

It seems that you want really simple answers, so:
[quote]Do you agree, that war is physically tough?[quote]
When comparing to the so called 'usual living' in the present years, yes.

Do you agree, that if it gets longer and longer, it's even more tougher, even with modern technology?

Yes.

Do you agree, that it is more tough for women to get their authority and respect amongst them men, if they are leaders?

Yes. But I don't think that it's kind of thing that you should just ignore, or to say 'oh, it's natural, impossible to cure, you know, boys are boys'.

Do you agree, that if a woman can't carry her own stuff and some guys have to do it, the men will complain about it, because it's a woman in situation?

Yes, if they're morons, because they're obviously volunteering to help the women there. You could try to tell it to them.

I'm 89 kilos heavy, and with full combat gear, wouldn't you agree that most women could not effectively drag me away, or carry me?

'Most women'? Yes, I would dare to agree with you here.

I don't like those whiny guys either who don't give their effort.

Ever tried to do something to this? If guys have attitude problems, should women not be allowed to be in there? That's the thing what I mostly wonder here.

[Pekka]

Tuome, I came on you little hard. I'm not tired though, I just watched Thin Red Line or what ever and thought it was a war movie. Before that? Pearl Harbor. I wanted to have an action night, instead I got this romantic night and had to pay 10 euros for it.

I mostly agree with you here. First of all, women not getting the authority or the respect they would deserve is a problem in the guys most of the times. And it shouldn't be ignored, it's a problem. It makes the unit not effective but bad, and gives too much problems for the woman leader there. I did give few long speeches about it to the guys too, but what can you do.. the lady had more balls there than her guys. I saw this many times, too many times. And the guys are the problem there. And as long as guys attitudes are like that, it won't work. To change the attitudes? It's another thing. Would be more easier just have to guys do the job, for the time being. I would be satisfied with the solution of them having the same requirements and standards though, as then it would be assured that they are able to do every job they need to do in their position and more, so they can be examples as it should be, and is a great way to gain that respect and authority needed.
And when she came to me and told the problem, what happened naturally was that her authority diminshed into zero because the guys thought she can't handle the situation but she has to come for other ncos or trainers. They didn't realize, that they are being stupid, and that they were the real problem then. They were pushing their limits and being jerks, and then felt some kind of victory after that. Talking about bad attitude 'you can't control me!'.

And yes of course they need to carry all the stuff if it's needed. We just can't leave it there. So, we pick it up and carry it, and then be small about it and blame it on the woman . Maybe most hated people are the guys who do that same stuff too, making others work more because of them.

And yeah, most women couldn't do that. Some could, but most couldn't. But sure, if we do lots of testing, women being strong enough, fast enough and what ever, then by all means welcome. But our model is not like that at the moment, and I don't see any changes in the future.
Sure, even some guys couldn't drag me, but most still could. I don't like lottery . I bet the safest bet.

And as your last one... I have to agree. If I see a strong guy, who is just too lazy and is slacking all the time, and then there is this tiny little girl, who can't do it, but sure is trying as hard as possible, popping few vaines in her head while doing it, almost passing out.. it's pretty clear whose ass I'm about to kick soon. I don't care if someone is slim, fat, white, black, ugly, pretty, smelly, christian, atheist, gay, straight, rich, poor.. but I will give my respect to anyone who is trying their best, and in normal service that is always enough in my opinion. And if there is the rambo guy who can fly and speak 114 languages and kill with stare down, but is not doing it the best way he can.. I'll be sure who gets to clean the toilets .

I'll say lets give them the same standards, and it's ok, but not as front line combat troops. They still would do combat for almost sure, but I'd still keep the front line stuff with the guys.

[Alexander's Horse]

Maybe the question should be "would you prefer to have Lancer in your unit or a woman?"

[Lincoln]

My nephew is in the military and he is getting out now because of the women. I was in submarines so we didin't get to have women on board. It would have been nice though instead of being around a bunch of smelly men. My views on women in the military are that they should only be in support roles way behind enemy lines. They make good secretaries for generals too!

[Lancer]

Lincoln, "he's getting out now because of the women". Can you elaborate?

[Alexander's Horse]

Duh Lancer! He's gay.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Pekka
And they MUST have the same requirements as the men do. We have dual standards in physical side, and that can't be right. They must be able to do it like the rest of the guys and not get any extra points because they are women. If they accomplish with the same standards, then sure.

I agree with this editted statement. My only disagreement is that I'd rather be with a scary women who mow down bad guys and cove r my back then to be stuck with a whimpy boy.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Lancer
Lincoln, "he's getting out now because of the women". Can you elaborate?

I guess quite a few women officers have a chip on their shoulders and they like to humilate the men under them if they do not bow in submission. The military is a perfect place for your typical bull-****. She has the full force of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) backing her when she pretends that she is a man. We had an ensign once who had an attitude like that and a friend of mine called her "ensign no tool". Of course he would be drawn and quartered now for even thinking such a thing.

[General Ludd]

I think men should be barred from the military. Judging from the responses to this thread, they're the ones who can't handle being around a woman and cause the problems.

[Alexander's Horse]

I'd like to know how having tits affects combat effectiveness.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Osweld
I think men should be barred from the military. Judging from the responses to this thread, they're the ones who can't handle being around a woman and cause the problems.

Aren't there more men in the military?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Maybe the question should be "would you prefer to have Lancer in your unit or a woman?"

Horsie, you know you gave us all an opening there so wide you could push the entire US V Corps through it?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I'd like to know how having tits affects combat effectiveness.

Ever seen a woman with D-cups try to hump an ALICE pack?

(Note for you zit-popping adolescents and non-US gruntspeak challenged types, "hump" has a very different meaning than the one that went through your dirty little minds. )