Anti-Semitism in France

[Ned]

The overall trends for France are disturbing, indeed. They are looking more and more like the next Nazi Germany. Anti-Americanism. Anti-Semitism. What they did in the UN to attack the US and the UK recently illustrates these trends dramatically.

While the article blames the anti-Semitism on the left, what the h*ll is Chirac?

Blair intends to "fix" things after the war is over. I doubt that he will be successful. I think it is high time that other European countries begin to openly criticize France to show their disapproval of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.

[SlowwHand]

It occurs to me, that I don' recall a Frenchman in the forums.
Surely there are people in France who aren't partaking of massive amounts of whine and cheese, and scrounging scraps of white cloth.

[Japher]

I have a question: Why are Jewish and Muslims kids attending a catholic school anyway? Most people go out of their way to avoid confrontations.


It is sad when ones religion is attacked because of a national tie. This is one reason why theology suks.

I feel bad for the Jews always being attacked for the crimes of the world, always being the 'scapegoat, and always taking it (for what it's worth). IMO, Sharon is a great leader. Finally a Jew who will stand up and kick some butt for what he believes is right for his counrty and his religion... as wrong as some of his actions may be, I find it honorable, patriotic, and responsible... kind of like Bush.

[SlowwHand]

Japher. What would you guess the majority of wars throughout history was over?

[Japher]

Land, Resources and Politics? Religion, IMO, has really been out of the picture in recent times. Granted that religion has lead to these wars, but not the cause.

I.e. American was formed as a haven from religionous persecution. The revolution occured not of the religious aspects, but the politics that spouted from it. Even though the nation was formed due to religion.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
The overall trends for France are disturbing, indeed. They are looking more and more like the next Nazi Germany. Anti-Americanism. Anti-Semitism. What they did in the UN to attack the US and the UK recently illustrates these trends dramatically.

Ned: This type of extreme hyperbole is not helpfull.

The increasing trend of anti-semitism is worrying without a doubt and the authorities have to do a better job at educating the public about it. May I point out though that if anti-semitism in france recieves so much attention is because the Jewish community in france is also the largest and most integrated in Europe at this time.

[Jaguar]

Racism in France cuts both ways.

Also, most of [Le Pen's] racist propaganda is oriented towards the Blacks and the Arabs, his tales of Jewish conspiracies are well hidden of the general public and are broadcasted only on the Parisian facist radio.

But the krux of the problem isn't the media at large, it is the specific messages the Muslim youth gets : gangsta culture, Islamists, and first of all, their peers, all of this builds a counter-culture in which antisemitism seems to be a new part.

Spiffor, I feel sorry for you.

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


The increasing trend of anti-semitism is worrying without a doubt.

Yes it is. But also, the increasing trend to anti-Americanism is also disturbing. Blair has made it clear that unless this is fixed, it could tear Europe apart.

The analogy to Nazi Germany was made because of its virulent racism and nationalism. Doesn't that describe the trends in France?

[RGBVideo]

2/10, but only because such anti-French attitude is relatively fresh to me.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You dont blame him for this?

Do you blame Pat Buchanan for anti-Mexican feelings in the US? Come on!

Personally, I don't feel that France is any more racist than the US or UK or Germany.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned


Yes it is. But also, the increasing trend to anti-Americanism is also disturbing. Blair has made it clear that unless this is fixed, it could tear Europe apart.

The analogy to Nazi Germany was made because of its virulent racism and nationalism. Doesn't that describe the trends in France?

No. About 1000 anti-semitic incident reported (all incidents, including graffiti) and the French HR organizations are calling alarms as well. As for rampant nationalism: I fail to see the "nationalism" in France being more rampant that what is happening in the US: whens the last time you heard of some pro-Israel artist in France having their work burned in rallies organized by the Media? But it did happen here in the US. (Dixie chicks) As for ramapnt anti-Americanism: besides the usual anti-McDonalds attacks by anti-globalists, I don't see the French renaming foods, or French officials say how our "the Americans are no longer allies (Perle)" or famous members of the media calling the Americans our "enemies" (Bill O'Reilly).

It is important for the French to better educate the population and specially among Arab youths in ghettos. BUt to make any sort of annalogy to nazism is just incorrect.

As for what Blair thinks: This admin. has payed to attention to European interest in general: why would Europe reciprocate? I think chirac might have gone too far, but the US is the one that set the ball rolling, and I see no one in this amdin. doing anyting to fix that. what's the last time the admin. called the French? For God's sake, our oldest ally, and we don't even call them for months? Yes, very profesional in our part: certainly, this admin. want sto keep trans-atantic ties strong

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Actually, Tass is my buddy.
Don't agree for sh1t on politics, but at least he has good taste in cats.

Good taste in cats?

Anyone with good taste in the first place would rather have a dog.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Anyone with good taste in the first place would rather have a dog.

Says the man with no taste .

[RGBVideo]

I prefer the taste of dogs over cats, easily. Dogs are simply more yummy, and I dislike them more, when alive.

[Ned]

GePap, I simply do not agree that growing French nationalism is solely due to George Bush.

In the book, Band of Brothers, the author describes the resentment and hostiltiy of the French to Americans during the Summer and Fall of 1944. It was almost as if they viewed Americans as conquerors rather than as liberators.

Since then, deGaul conducted an anglo-phobic, highly nationalistic foreign policy. His successors maintained that same policy. But now, Chirac has adopted an openly hostile anti-American policy, not so much, it is said, because he is anti-war, but because he wants to set up France as an "independent," hostile, anti-US power.

This is an historical trend, not something new.

Ditto the France's historical anti-Semitism. I am not surprised at all that the average Frenchman stands asside allows the Muslim immigrants to beat up a Jewish kid. Is there anyone here on this forum genuinely surprised at this?

We all know where the combination of nationalism and racism leads, do we not? We fought the "fascists" in Japan and Germany and Italy in the 1940's. We may have to do it again. That is a snake that will not die, it appears.