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    American students abroad told to pretend to be Canadians


    STEVE GIEGERICH
    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    As anti-war sentiment rises in other countries, U.S. colleges are warning their students studying abroad to avoid demonstrations, street corner debates on U.S. foreign policy and clothes that identify them as Americans.

    But just to be on the safe side, some students are passing themselves off as Canadian.

    In interviews over the past week, students and faculty overseas said the anti-American sentiment they've encountered has been directed at the Bush administration — not at U.S. citizens.

    "As far as being an American in Italy, I don't in any way feel unsafe," said Christopher Bottoni, a junior at Pennsylvania's Villanova University who is studying in Milan.

    Back home in New Jersey, Bottoni's father, Lou, is a bit more apprehensive. "Am I worried?" he said. "There's no question about it."

    Like many parents with a child overseas, Bottoni stays in touch with his son via cellphone.

    That technology, along with e-mail, helps to alleviate the fears of many parents with children overseas, said Carla Slawson, vice-president of the Chicago-based Institute for International Education of Students — a consortium that customizes foreign studies programs for over 125 top colleges and universities, including Villanova's.

    Since the start of the war, the institute has received 43 calls from the parents of the 1,200 students it now has studying abroad. Slawson said the parents asked primarily about the institute's evacuation plans.

    As war became imminent, Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts directed faculty representatives to severely restrict the activities of the school's 142 students studying in Europe and Australia.

    Besides asking students to stay away from demonstrations, the restrictions include cutbacks on independent weekend travel, a curfew and instructions to keep in constant contact with family and friends by cellphone and e-mail. The U.S. State Department also has issued a general warning to all Americans abroad.

    "I don't know if we can protect them, but we can make sure that everything is in place to the best of our ability to make sure they're safe and accounted for," said Natalie Mello, Worcester's director of global operations.

    "But to be realistic, I can't be sure everybody is safe, even in Worcester."

    While the rules enacted by the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University weren't quite as strict, the combined Minnesota schools did suggest another tactic to avoid becoming the target of anti-American rhetoric — one favoured for decades by U.S. students hoping to keep a low profile.

    "We told them, if you're travelling or if you're out somewhere for the weekend, tell someone you're Canadian," said Stephen Burmeister-May, the director of international education.

    One of Nathan Brever's classmates did just that during a trip through Spain. But the St. John's junior — studying in London — declined to be part of the ruse.

    "To be honest, I feel a little bad not standing up for my nation," he said. "I am an American and I am proud for what America stands for."

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    • Just for the record... I haven't lost faith in Canada. In fact, I think as a whole, they're a lot smarter than Americans.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • I think we're in good company:
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        • So after reading through most all of this terribly long thread, I guess the real question is: should I move to Canada?
          "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

          "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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          • nah ruby, don't let stupidity drive you from your home and native land. I'd much rather work to improve America than give up on it altogether.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • Originally posted by ruby_maser
              So after reading through most all of this terribly long thread, I guess the real question is: should I move to Canada?
              You'd be welcome here.

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              • Originally posted by Sava
                nah ruby, don't let stupidity drive you from your home and native land. I'd much rather work to improve America than give up on it altogether.
                My stupidity or my native land's stupidity? ...because that is hardly a selling point to say that my stupidity is what led me to move to Canada
                "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

                "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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                • After reading through all these pages, I find out my reply to a post no longer has any revelance. Oh well, here goes:

                  There is actually a Toronto Independence Party that, IIRC, wants Toronto to be its own city state or, baring that, it's own province.

                  The Republic of Toronto has a nice ring to it. We can take the Greater Toronto Area, hell, all of southern Ontario, as vassels
                  Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                  -Richard Dawkins

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                  • Based on my feelings about Toronto, is there somewhere I can send money to support these guys?

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                    • I was wondering how much it would cost for them to take Ottawa with them.
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                      • Originally posted by Starchild
                        After reading through all these pages, I find out my reply to a post no longer has any revelance. Oh well, here goes:

                        There is actually a Toronto Independence Party that, IIRC, wants Toronto to be its own city state or, baring that, it's own province.

                        The Republic of Toronto has a nice ring to it. We can take the Greater Toronto Area, hell, all of southern Ontario, as vassels
                        Don't take that to seriously. IIRC, that group started a few years ago when then Premier Mike Harris forced Metro Toronto to amalgamate a number of the bedroom communities into one large entity. The people affected were strongly opposed to the measure, but that made no difference to the Tories in power. There were a number of tactics tried to get Queen's Park to back down, that group being one of them.

                        So it was pretty much a single issue group who's sole purpose was to oppose amalgamation, they never meant it to be taken seriously. I doubt if they even exist anymore.

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                        • Did not the fools realise that Toronto only grows stronger. Mwhahahahahahaha

                          (*used to live near Toronto*)
                          Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                          -Richard Dawkins

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                          • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            BTW, Chris, the US never had nine votes. Sure, maybe six nations wouldn't have voted the resolution down if the French had vetoed, but that's like saying a person would decide not to go swimming if someone emptied the pool. If France vetoes, no one else has to do a thing. It's a moot argument.
                            If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto?
                            You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.

                            And while you keep harping on how the UN wasn't enforcing its own resolutions, it bears repeating that Resolution 1441 required that any nations who had intelligence on Iraq's weapons program share it with the inspectors. The US failed to do so. The US violated the very resolution it claims to be enforcing.
                            Read it again, it REQUESTS such info, NOT requires.

                            Keep trying Che.
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                            • Originally posted by Chris 62
                              If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto?
                              You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.


                              Because a no vote by any of the five permanent members is a veto. Why don't you name all nine countries in favor?

                              Read it again, it REQUESTS such info, NOT requires.


                              Ok, so it was a request. They still didn't follow it.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • Originally posted by Chris 62
                                If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto?
                                You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.
                                He was reacting out of principle of course. He simply didn't believe that war was a viable option at that time. It wouldn't matter to them whether the US had the votes or not, their veto would stand regardless.

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