US losing faith in Canada

[Asher]

Originally posted by Willem
Obviously they don't know you very well.

Don't aggravate me...I'm not in the best of moods.

If people from Alberta would stop shooting their mouth off all the time

This is yet another thing the rest of Canada doesn't get. They don't understand why Albertans are upset because every time they express dissent they're labeled whiners, told to shut up and deal with it, and are basically insulted and relegated as second-class Canadian citizens.

maybe the rest of us would take you more seriously. Take this letter by Klein to the US ambassador. What business is it of his to stick his nose into it.? It's clearly not in any province's jurisdiction. How can we have respect for someone who's constantly trying to undermine what the majority of Canadians believe in?

Mr. Klein can write personal letters to whoever the hell he wants, and he can express moral support for the conflict on behalf of Albertans (seeing as how it has popular support in Alberta). He's not undermining what the majority of Canadians believe in, because he's not speaking for the majority of Canadians.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Willem
From who?

I don't think we need to label specific enemies, you should be able to defend it regardless. A lot of things are unforeseen, we can't pretend to be able to predict what will happen, or even dismiss the possibility of invasion outright...

[Asher]

Frankly if I were a mod, I'd ban Tingkai, myself, and Willem for a bit. Tingkai because he once again outright insulted me: It's not that his words were bad or he threw some slurs at me, it was a deep personal attack that tends to slip under a mod's radar.

I'd ban Willem for trying to aggravate someone who's clearly already pissed off.

And I'd ban me to cool off for a bit and responding to Tingkai's bull.

Not that I'm trying to tell anyone how to do their job, I'm just getting a tad bit tired of Tingkai's antics in virtually every thread and I'd like to see something done about it. I'm not that hard to set off, and he knows it, and he goes for it every time.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Frogger
IIRC the US actually reproduces its own population.

But if you want to get into ethnic comparisons, then yes, IIRC, both whites and blacks in the US fall a bit short of breakeven while hispanics go beyond.

(This is IIRC. I saw the figures recently, but cannot say where)

I don't know what the numbers for the US would be, but I know the same thing is happening in Europe, has been for some time now. And I strongly suspect that if you looked closely enough, the same trend would show up in the US. Though I could be wrong about that.

And it's not like Canada's population is actually shrinking, we are growing in numbers. But it's the immigrant families that are largely responsible for that.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Good points all round.

The abortion rate in the US is lower than Canada

http://www.webhart.net/vandee/abortstat.shtml

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html

32.2 for every 100 live births in Canada
30.2 for every 100 live birth in the US.

Our birthrate stands at 1.4
While the US is around 2.1

Those abortion rates seem high. But assuming they're correct:

Those abortion rates are per live birth, not per population. Which is an interesting way to measure but isn't how I was thinking of it. Using your numbers the US has a significantly higher abortion rate per population (the average woman here will have 0.45 abortions, there will have 0.63 abortions)

And if you notice, even if nobody had an abortion here we'd still just about break even.

The big difference, as you can see, is that people in the US get pregnant more often. Why?

[Willem]

Originally posted by Frogger
And I don't see it as a "problem" at all.

But I do think that government should do more to encourage procreation in the form of tax credit and direct subsidies.

There's already to many people on this planet, we shouldn't try to encourage anymore. Let's let some of the third world people in and let them have a chance at a better life.

[Jon Miller]

we have a much more lievly culture?

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

I'd like to see the breakdown of birthrate by economic class.

I hypothesise that the US' relatively large birthrate has more to do with the stark stratification of economic classes there (compared to Western Europe, Canada etc) than with anything else.

But then again, I have to think that, being a socialist and all.

Thank you for chasing down those abortion figures, btw obi

[Willem]

Originally posted by Asher

I don't think we need to label specific enemies, you should be able to defend it regardless. A lot of things are unforeseen, we can't pretend to be able to predict what will happen, or even dismiss the possibility of invasion outright...

You see conspiracies everywhere don't you?

[GePap]

Yeah..since the poor have more children than the rich on average: get a lot of poor people! You Canadians and the Europeans don't give people the incentive of having children for economic reasons: since we are all selfish bastards (or so we are told) we will do only what selfish things we have to. If you are well of, the selfish thing is to avoid children who suck up your income. if you are poor, the saelfish thing is to bring children into such a life to get more income....

[Asher]

Originally posted by Willem
You see conspiracies everywhere don't you?

No, but I've got enough sense to lock my doors at night and have a military capable of defending an invasion of a Boy Scout Troop...

[Thoth]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Nope, i'm a Frenchman
But I've read enough Canadians here to have developed predjudices on Albertans vs other Canadians. But show me a blank Canada map, and I might confuse Alberta with Ontario

Don't be to quick to judge Albertans. I spent a couple of weeks in Calgary back in '92, and I found the people to be outgoing and friendly. A little backwards in their politics but pretty good people.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Thoth


Don't be to quick to judge Albertans. I spent a couple of weeks in Calgary back in '92, and I found the people to be outgoing and friendly. A little backwards in their politics but pretty good people.

Well they are still Canadians after all. We quite often disagree, but they're as much a part of our identity as Quebec is.

[KrazyHorse]

I liked Alberta when I visited too.

It's just a shame that a lot of the inhabitants are raving loons, politically.

[KrazyHorse]

I found the honour system they use for the metro there (in Edmonton) particularly odd..