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  • #31
    I watched on the news that baghdad´s bombing was "the biggest of history". For me this is crap, how could that bombing be larger than Hiroshima, Tokyo, Dresden...? Maybe it was the most high tech, but I really doubt that the combined firepower of the bombs that were dropped could beat the 100 (?) kilotons of Nagasaki.

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    • #32
      Nagasaki was about 20 kilotons or so.

      We are told the US dropped 1500 different bombs and missile in the city: given that most are about or under 1 ton, that puts it at 1.5 kilotons. How much did a B-17 carry, or a Lancaster? If I remember, its about 3 tons of bombs for the B-17. If you have, lets say, 800 in one raid against one city one night, that comes out to a max of 2.4 kilotons. As far as I can remeber, we did have nights in which that many bombers struck one city.

      So yeah, this is hardly the biggest bombing "ever".

      Edit: I think that the B-17 could carry 6000 Kg's of bombs, which means 6tons, not 3. so move that kiloton number to 4.8.
      Last edited by GePap; March 22, 2003, 13:24.
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      • #33
        "Ever" nowadays means no more than five years.

        Gepap: An example from Berlin, 1812 tons the first night 23 aug 1943, 8000 tons over four days.

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        • #34
          "The facts as you have them".
          Exactly.

          The Iraqi generals talks about major civilian loses. But I doubt this came through to your media.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by paiktis22
            "The facts as you have them".
            Exactly.

            The Iraqi generals talks about major civilian loses. But I doubt this came through to your media.
            Paiktis, If true, this would be major news. The reason I created the "Post latest news here" thread was for just this reason. I don't think any of us should rely on our national media. If you have a story...then post it so we all can see.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #36
              Damned be humanity but it's saturday after all. Nastarovja!

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              • #37
                I was surprised to the Iraqi minister of information giving a press conference. It was 2am in the morning I believe.

                Did anyone here the jibberish coming forth from his mouth? What was that all about? The translator was terrible. CNN was covering the minister's appearance in the early morning hours.

                According to the Iraqi minister of information:

                1. Coalition forces are retreating.
                2. Bush is an evil moron.
                3. Iraqi forces have shot down most of the missiles coming into Baghdad.

                And more...

                Did he actually expect anyone to believe that the coalition forces are retreating??

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                • #38
                  "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                  "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                  • #39
                    Iraq and al Qaeda are closely linked.
                    "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                    "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                      www.irakwar.ru
                      ?
                      Do not laugh! Coalition troops have captured Umm-Quasr for fifth time.

                      There is no Iraqi resistance in area. Just, the coalition likes the very process.

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                      • #41
                        Okay, now the Pentagon is saying they want "manage expectations" - chemical and biological weapons may be "very difficult to find", LOL

                        Wasn't that what the war was about?

                        Weren't we being told Iraq was overflowing with wmd material?
                        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                        • #42
                          But of course they are difficult to find! The inspectors would never be able to do it, and while our intelligence tells us they have them, somehow, they just have no clue where they could be, whatsoever.

                          Eminently Logical, no?
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                          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #43
                            Well, for one, the BBC has been reporting all day that Basra is in coolition hands, but no one else seems to say so.
                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by paiktis22

                              The Iraqi generals talks about major civilian loses. But I doubt this came through to your media.
                              From the horses mouth:

                              "BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- More than 200 civilians have been injured in the U.S.-led bombing of Baghdad, Iraq's information minister said Saturday.

                              Mohammad Saeed al-Sahaf was speaking to reporters after a huge barrage of bombs and missiles hit the Iraqi capital Friday evening with sporadic air raid alerts and isolated explosions continuing through the night."



                              Now I realize that CNN is biased, but they would never publish a blatant lie that has been recorded by the world-wide media as well. They would never compromise their integrity that much.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                                101 ABD is in Iraq, 82 ABD has troops rotated to Afghanistan now, having relieved 101 ABD there some time ago.
                                I've read on numberous sources that the 82nd has one brigade in Afganistan and one brigade in Kuwait.

                                Speaking of things not being covered: there's nearly no information about the US and UK attack in Western Iraq. It seems like the British paratroopers and some American paratroopers (the 82nd? The 173rd Brigade?) have seized some air bases which are being used to fly in reinforcements...
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                                - Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

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