Drums of war mute Afghani peace message

[Az]

so, UR, ANY kind of order is better than no order?

[Urban Ranger]

Yes.

I point to you, Iran, which is attempting to become more moderate. On the other hand, Somalia and such countries without any government will take a very long time to go anywhere.

[Ramo]

I'm for supplying aid, but it's the Afghan's country, let them set it up.
If they WANT advice, that's fine, too.

Let who set it up? The Islamist raping/pillaging warlords that we're supporting in the name of anti-terrorism?

[Urban Ranger]

Azazel,

You play Civ, you should know how important Code of Law is.

[Az]

I point to you, Iran, which is attempting to become more moderate. On the other hand, Somalia and such countries without any government will take a very long time to go anywhere

Iran's "attempts" are very limited. Besides, One could conjure a government more evil than the Islamic "republic".

[Urban Ranger]

I agree. Think of it this way: harsh laws are bad not because of having laws, but because the actual laws (contents) are harsh. It's much easier to change the contents.

[Az]

I definetly agree to to the reason of why harsh laws are evil, but my points is that at many instances it is better to have no laws ( actually, codes of behaviour are created spontaneously, so total chaos is rare), than to have extremely harsh ones. And easy to change the contents implies that someone at the top that will actually want to change them, which is, ahem, quite rare in places that employ those harsh codes of laws in the first place.

[Urban Ranger]

Codes of behaviour are ethics, not laws. But I digress.

Change of laws do not necessarily entail the changes start inside the government. It can be brought on by a change of government, either violent or peaceful.