The War Has Started!

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Serb


USA should be excluded from UN.

I Serb.

[Verto]

I'm referring to the League's failure to act when Japan began it's 'expansion' in Asia, mostly.

[Master Zen]

In response to gangerolf's recently edited post by Ming, (he said why change the flag to Iraq in support of Saddam)

The flag is not the flag of Saddam's regime. It is the flag of the Iraqi people, innocent victims of this terrible war of aggression. I have no love for Saddam, and personally, I hope he dies, but this war is illegal and should be condemned by all nations wishing for a world order based on the respect of existing international institutions, something which the Bush administration HAS NOT DONE.

[GePap]

Wait, when did Iraq invade someone currently?

According to the prez and his boy, we hare doignt his because we have Un authorization from previous resolutions. The very premise of this war is based on Saddam defying UN rules..now, if the UN is irrelevant, why is breaking its rules meaningful?

But enough aboutt he UN, which surely will outlast the dark days of Bush...

[gigapimp3001]

Well one thing is for certain. I feel a lot less safer and a lot more powerless than I did a few months ago.....

[Serb]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Serb : don't you understand USA's strongest desire was to make the UN respected ? You are truly living in a fantasy world

WTF?
If you think that UN=USA, then it's correct, but as far as I know UN include a bit more members than just United States of America. They act without permision of UN security concil, which means that they act AGAINST the will of UN.
Sorry, but this argument is total crap, because in other words it's- "I act for your own sake people, my only desire is to make you more respected and I don't care if you do not understand this. All of you are wrong, I'm the only one who is right".

[Spiffor]

The UN acted rather quickly when Iraq begun "expanding" in Kuwait IIRC. Gulf War 1 got support from almost all governments, and had UN approval.

Serb : I was ironic. I admit I switch too much from irony to serious mode tosay, so I'd better use smilies.

[Verto]

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by GePap
Yeah Veto, we want the NPT to cllapse, so that any jusitifcation we would have to strike at NK and Iraqn for making nukes would disappear, along with our basing rights around the world! That's a great thing to wish for

Justification?? What justification? it's all a bunch of excuses and lies. Where did Iraq have nukes? You didn't even let the inspectors a chance.

Coming from a country which has thousands of nuclear warheads, and has publically expressed the possibility of using them, I find asking countries to NK and Iraq to disarm extremely hypocritical. The US will soon spend on defense the equivalent of the rest of the world together. Who will demand the US to disarm??

Basing rights...so you can strike at more countries. Sure, you need them...

[Gangerolf]

my humble opinoin is that the UN has actually been strengthened by all this

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Spiffor
The UN acted rather quickly when Iraq begun "expanding" in Kuwait IIRC. Gulf War 1 got support from almost all governments, and had UN approval.

It did not have full support from the Soviets.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Overthrowing regimes goes against the UN Charter

No it doesn't.

It did not have full support from the Soviets.

They had other problems at the time so no one cared what they thought.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Master Zen
In response to gangerolf's recently edited post by Ming, (he said why change the flag to Iraq in support of Saddam)

The flag is not the flag of Saddam's regime. It is the flag of the Iraqi people, innocent victims of this terrible war of aggression. I have no love for Saddam, and personally, I hope he dies, but this war is illegal and should be condemned by all nations wishing for a world order based on the respect of existing international institutions, something which the Bush administration HAS NOT DONE.

Exactly

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
my humble opinoin is that the UN has actually been strengthened by all this

Stengthened? The Security Council just lost its dignity in front of the world. If anything this war has shown the world that the UN is practically worthless in resolving conflicts.

Bad times indeed...

[Master Zen]

BTW, was it only me, but did any of you imagine Bush's speech ending with the immortal phrase:

"MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"