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  • Jingoism: A word for our time?

    I'm really really surprised this word, which describes the extreme nationalism and militarism which drove the European colonial expansion in the late nineteenth century, ending in the tragic slaughter of World War I, is making a comeback.

    One would have thought the carnage of the 20th century would have put the sentiment to bed permanently, at least in Western countries. It did for a long time. The word used to be an insult but in some quarters it seems now quite okay to be jingoistic.

    Here is the Cambridge Dictionary definition:


    jingoism
    noun [U]

    the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country

    Patriotism can turn into jingoism and intolerance very quickly.

    jingoist
    noun [C]

    He was a confirmed jingoist and would frequently speak about the dangers of Britain forming closer ties with the rest of Europe.

    jingoistic
    adjective

    In wartime, newspapers tend to become jingoistic.
    There were great celebrations and plenty of jingoistic flag-waving when the first troops returned from the war.
    The term Jingoism came into use after a music-hall song by G. W. Hunt became popular. The song appeared in music halls at the time of the Russo-Turkish War (1877-8), when anti-Russian feeling ran high in Britain and Disraeli (the British Prime Minister of the day) ordered the Mediterranean fleet to Constantinople. The Russophobes became known as Jingoes, and any belligerent patriotism has been labelled jingoism ever since. Here is the relevant verse of Hunt's music hall song:


    We don't want to fight,
    But by Jingo if we do,
    We've got the ships,
    We've got the men,
    And got the money too.
    We've fought the Bear before,
    And while we're Britons true,
    The Russians shall not have Constantinople.
    As I mentioned earlier jingoism reached its height before World War I - particularly during the Boer and Zulu Wars in Britain's case. The sentiment was completely discredited in the popular imagination by World War I. The public, in their grief at war losses, turned on those who enthusiastically sent young men to their death by the million. Those who were seen to have glorified war came to be known after the war in Britain as "Colonel Blimps", best skewered by Siegfried Sassoon, a war hero, in his 1918 poem "Base Details":


    Base Details

    If I were fierce, and bald, and short of breath,
    I’d live with scarlet Majors at the Base,
    And speed glum heroes up the line to death.
    You’d see me with my puffy petulant face,
    Guzzling and gulping in the best hotel, 5
    Reading the Roll of Honour. ‘Poor young chap,’
    I’d say—‘I used to know his father well;
    Yes, we’ve lost heavily in this last scrap.’

    And when the war is done and youth stone dead,
    I’d toddle safely home and die—in bed. 10
    It was a grave insult to be called a Blimp after World War I.
    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

  • #2
    Terry Pratchett wrote a book named Jingo. Good satire.
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    • #3
      I have proof my country is best.

      where is it, I left it around here somewhere...

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      • #4
        Where have you seen examples proving that the word Jingoism is making a come-back? Could you give some links?
        Or are you only talking about the phenomenon Jingoism?


        We don't want to fight,
        But by Jingo if we do,
        We've got the ships,
        We've got the men,
        And got the money too.
        We've fought the Bear before,
        And while we're Britons true,
        The Russians shall not have Constantinople.

        Nice song!
        Last edited by addiv; March 18, 2003, 22:22.
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        • #5
          (sung to the children's tune "Bingo")

          Our favourite moron had a war,
          Cause Jingo was his game-o !
          J-I-N-G-O. J-I-N-G-O. J-I-N-G-O.
          Cause Jingo was his game-o !

          There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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          • #6
            Ah, so nations like Australia that are going to war on the coalition side are jingoist....
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            "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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            • #7
              No, Australians believe the U.S. is the best country as well.

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              • #8
                Whatever happens
                Whatever they got
                We have the maxim gun
                That they have not
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                • #9
                  Jingoism is part of the group-think propaganda, isn't it?
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by addiv
                    Where have you seen examples proving that the word Jingoism is making a come-back? Could you give some links?
                    Just look around this forum. Plenty of Colonel Blimps. Some surprise me greatly.


                    We've got the ships,
                    We've got the men,
                    And got the money too.
                    Written when Britain was the world's sole global superpower.
                    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                    • #11
                      Good thread AH
                      It's suprising how jingoism is similar today with 130 years ago. "We've got the ships - we've got the men - and got the money too". I think I've already read this on this board
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                      • #12
                        I always thought the term "jingoism" had something to do with the Japanese and their legendary Empress Jingo. Anyone know where that British songwriter got the word "jingo" from?
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                        • #13
                          I haven't met a single American who wants to go to war "because we can." Very few want to go to war "because Bush said so." Agreeing with the prez on war is different from jingoism.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            I always thought the term "jingoism" had something to do with the Japanese and their legendary Empress Jingo. Anyone know where that British songwriter got the word "jingo" from?
                            "Jingo" was a word associated with medieval conjurers and showman. It meant "By magic", used in a show like "hey presto!".

                            It was thought to be a substitute word for "By Jesus" i.e. a non blasphemous exclamation or for emphasis - i.e. "I'll do it by jingo!" I've heard it used like that, particularly by older Australians.
                            Last edited by Alexander's Horse; March 19, 2003, 02:49.
                            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                            • #15
                              According to dictionary.com:
                              From the phrase by jingo, used in the refrain of a bellicose 19th-century English music-hall song, from alteration of Jesus.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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