It would have been a good speech, if chemical and biological weapons were actually as dangerous as he claims. Plus, he forgot to mention that the 'precursors' are the backbone materials of any decent sanitation and medical infrastructure.
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And the spirit of a Democratic REPUBLIC is that the government does not allow the mob of true democracy to trample over the rights of the minority
(Remember, britain promised to bring democracy to its colonies as well....We see how well that turned out.)
In some cases it is best for the elected representatives to defy the people
Granting Civil Rights to persecuted peoples is enlightened, but wars or not
Why now then is parlaiment suddenly undemocratic
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Originally posted by Edan
It's not the delivery I care so much. Bush could have read this directly off a sheet of paper and I would have prefered it to last weeks press conference or even Monday's speech. (indeed, I did not see Blair give thespeech, I only read it)http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Therefore, Great Britain is not an "enlightened" true democracy. So it really has no moral authority at all to bring "democracy" to Iraq, does it?
It has the authority to bring republicanism to Iraq. And no one has moral authority over anyone.
But you'll notice the Civil Rights movement gave rights to people and improved their lives...A war on Iraq will destroy Iraqi infrastructure, and possibly kill thousands of civilians (directly, through bombs. Not indirectly. Indirectly it will probably be much more.).
You'll notice the War on Iraq will give rights to people and improved their lives. It will create a democratic republic, where the people can vote on their leaders, leading to more rights and the beginning of new prosperity.
Granting Civil Rights to persecuted peoples is enlightened, but wars or not
What is an is not enlightened is a personal preference.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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You'll notice the War on Iraq will give rights to people and improved their lives. It will create a democratic republic, where the people can vote on their leaders, leading to more rights and the beginning of new prosperity.
If the entire country is in ruins, rihts wont really matter will they (Just look at Afghanistan)? AND the US has said that they'll install a military dictatorship until "democratic reforms can begin". How long will that take?! Until all the oil has run out?
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Remember, britain promised to bring democracy to its colonies as well....We see how well that turned out.
Australia... Canada... India... South Africa...
Looks like they did a decent job to me.
Then it got independance and against all odds, became a democracy.
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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If the entire country is in ruins, rihts wont really matter will they
Because of course, after WW2, when Britain, France, Italy and West Germany were in ruins, political rights didn't make any difference, and they are still third world countries today .
Answer the following with a yes or no question: Is this war enlightened?
To me? Yes, this war is.
Lets look at India....They taxed them heavily, murdered them, etc etc.....It was much more like a dictatorship
You do need to look at the history of India. While it was true that the British weren't nice, they gave a LOT of local authority. Raj's owned great kingdoms. After the Indian Rebellion of the 1870s (about then), India was basically left alone.
Then it got independance and against all odds, became a democracy.
They became a republic BECAUSE of British education and values. Even today, Indians are taught in schools that use British education. They very much respect Great Britain.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Because of course, after WW2, when Britain, France, Italy and West Germany were in ruins, political rights didn't make any difference, and they are still third world countries today .
Afghanistan is in ruins. There are basically two countries there now: Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and Islamic Republic of Kabul The country is not quite rebuilding much at all, and warlords still rule most of it
To me? Yes, this war is.
While it was true that the British weren't nice, they gave a LOT of local authority.
They very much respect Great Britain.
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I've enjoyed this little tete-e-tete, but I have more important matters to attend to.
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What I want to know is why Blair didn't give the Commons a free vote on this. Surely it's more a matter of conscience than of policy."Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman
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